Malaysian MiG-29s got trounced by RN Sea Harrier F/A2s in Exercise Flying Fish

Royal Navy's 800 Squadron page says "Each RN pilot faced the MiG-29 in
combat and found the Sea Harrier to be a good match for the MiG.
Thanks to the Blue Vixen radar the Sea Harrier won every time in
beyond visual range engagements and also scored some notable successes
when converting to the visual fighting arena."

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/...php3?page=5298

"KDR" wrote in message
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Royal Navy's 800 Squadron page says "Each RN pilot faced the MiG-29 in
combat and found the Sea Harrier to be a good match for the MiG.
Thanks to the Blue Vixen radar the Sea Harrier won every time in
beyond visual range engagements and also scored some notable successes
when converting to the visual fighting arena."

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/...php3?page=5298

This doesn't mean a thing. It was a training exercise, and its the rules the
exercise was run under that make/made the difference. These exercises are
run as set pieces. Typically with no loser's (due to international
relations) with one side doing one thing and the other side is doing
something else.

Red

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"KDR" wrote in message
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Royal Navy's 800 Squadron page says "Each RN pilot faced the MiG-29 in
combat and found the Sea Harrier to be a good match for the MiG.
Thanks to the Blue Vixen radar the Sea Harrier won every time in
beyond visual range engagements and also scored some notable successes
when converting to the visual fighting arena."

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/...php3?page=5298

This doesn't mean a thing. It was a training exercise, and its the rules
the
exercise was run under that make/made the difference. These exercises are
run as set pieces. Typically with no loser's (due to international
relations) with one side doing one thing and the other side is doing
something else.

Red

.... my guess the rules of engagement kept everything subsonic.

In message
, Dudhorse
writes
... my guess the rules of engagement kept everything subsonic.

Nah, just fuel constraints on the MiGs Agile they may be, long-legged
they aren't.

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

On 9/2/03 12:37 PM, in article , "Paul
J. Adam" wrote:

In message
, Dudhorse
writes
... my guess the rules of engagement kept everything subsonic.

Nah, just fuel constraints on the MiGs Agile they may be, long-legged
they aren't.

I can't imagine the MiG's being much more fuel limited than the Sea Harrier.
The AV-8B's I worked with on KH were HORRIBLE on fuel (0+45) was about all
they could handle.

--Woody

In message , "Doug \"Woody\" and
Erin Beal" writes
On 9/2/03 12:37 PM, in article , "Paul
J. Adam" wrote:
Nah, just fuel constraints on the MiGs Agile they may be, long-legged
they aren't.

I can't imagine the MiG's being much more fuel limited than the Sea Harrier.
The AV-8B's I worked with on KH were HORRIBLE on fuel (0+45) was about all
they could handle.

A MiG-29 wanting to go supersonic long enough to fight might be on a
fifteen-minute cycle, if it also wanted to carry a weapon. (Remember the
Su-7? Something like six minutes' on burner from full fuel before the
tanks are dry. Not down to reserves, _dry_.)

The MiG-29 is a dangerously agile point-defence interceptor, and it's
got afterburners to further reduce its endurance. The Harriers are
short-cycle, but at least they get max thrust dry (and I'm led to
believe that carrier fuel reserves are somewhat more stringent than
land-based... willing to be corrected)

I just don't see MiG-29s having time and fuel to get up to speed,
arrange a supersonic intercept on agile opponents, and make it back to
base on a routine basis.

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"Rue Britannia!!!!!!!!"

av8r wrote:

"Rue Britannia!!!!!!!!"

They've probably been waiving the rules again.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

In article , av8r wrote:

"Rue Britannia!!!!!!!!"

Been watching Rocky & Bullwinkle again have you?

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

In article , KDR
writes
Royal Navy's 800 Squadron page says "Each RN pilot faced the MiG-29 in
combat and found the Sea Harrier to be a good match for the MiG.
Thanks to the Blue Vixen radar the Sea Harrier won every time in
beyond visual range engagements and also scored some notable successes
when converting to the visual fighting arena."

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/...php3?page=5298

Well they've trounced everything else

Sounds like a sales pitch to me, after all they'll be looking for
someone to take them off their hands over the next few years.

--
John