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Old December 6th 10, 03:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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http://www.technologyreview.com/blog...6103/?p1=Blogs
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Old December 6th 10, 03:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Reminds me of the Dean who was trying to convince a wealthy alumni to
contribute. The Alum said he wouldn't, because everything the school
did was impractical. The Dean, in an effort to prove they focused hard
on practicality, handed the Alum a doctoral thesis entitled
"Increasing Egg Production". The Alum opened it, read the first
sentence, and declared that it proved his point precisely. The first
sentence read: "First, assume a spherical chicken".

-John
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Old December 6th 10, 05:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Dec 6, 7:56*am, jcarlyle wrote:
Reminds me of the Dean who was trying to convince a wealthy alumni to
contribute. The Alum said he wouldn't, because everything the school
did was impractical. The Dean, in an effort to prove they focused hard
on practicality, handed the Alum a doctoral thesis entitled
"Increasing Egg Production". The Alum opened it, read the first
sentence, and declared that it proved his point precisely. The first
sentence read: *"First, assume a spherical chicken".

-John


Finally! Some scientific justification for my thermal centering
technique. It is called the WFOOIA algorithm, an acronym for "Whoops!
Flew Out Of It Again". Other pilots may freely use this techniques as
long as the author(s) are properly credited... As it is open source,
pilots may also improve upon the technique, provided they share it
with the community.

Matt (Jr.)
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Old December 6th 10, 07:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Martin Gregorie[_5_]
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On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 07:40:53 -0800, bildan wrote:

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog...6103/?p1=Blogs


I smell a certain lack of preliminary research: any RC glider pilot will
tell you that pressure sensing TE varios for models have been available
for a long time. It would seem to be a lot easier and less power-hungry
to sample one of these than to calculate climb rate from GPS output.


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Old December 6th 10, 10:26 PM
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It looks to me like someone in the study confused the little thermal strength indicator cones of the graphic with individual thermals.
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Old December 7th 10, 02:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Dec 6, 2:40*pm, shkdriver
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Anyone have any experience/thoughts to share about winch launching a
shempp-hirth SHK? My example has CG tost hook on gear leg.

Thanks,
Scott W.

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Read the pilot handbook?
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Old December 7th 10, 05:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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OCSA did a few auto tows off a dry lake with an SHK a few years
ago...climbs like a homesick angel!

LT/HU
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Old December 8th 10, 06:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Dec 6, 4:40*pm, shkdriver
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Anyone have any experience/thoughts to share about winch launching a
shempp-hirth SHK? My example has CG tost hook on gear leg.

Thanks,
Scott W.

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Should not be a problem. Keep in mind that when the SHK was designed,
winch-launching was the primary take-off method in Germany. Even some
of the earlier glass ships like the ASW-15a did have only a CG-hook
while the aero-tow hook was an option.
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Old December 8th 10, 10:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default winch launching a 17 m shk

At 21:40 06 December 2010, shkdriver wrote:

Anyone have any experience/thoughts to share about winch launching a
shempp-hirth SHK? My example has CG tost hook on gear leg.

Thanks,
Scott W.


Scott,

I had a 17m SHK many years ago. The difference between minimum and maximum
all up weight was about 20 lbs which made one very careful about spinning.
I never had problems launching behind a car, but a very experienced pilot
at Lasham spun his in from a wire launch.

Are you fully experienced on winch launching? A modern high power winch is
rather different to the F100 trucks we used to use for launching, and I
would say that the SHK could bite a little more than some gliders if you
are too sudden with your pull up or if you pull too hard. A V tail is not
the same as a normal T tail, and I imagine that turbulent air off the wing
at a high angle of attack could possibly cause issues.

I enjoyed the glider very much, but you need to be very careful rigging
the main pin (if you are not aware of this then please do research the
issue, it is on the internet - we had a fatality in the UK this year I
believe because of mis-rigging with this system which is very easy to do)
and watch the CofG and spin characteristics. It will bite if you deviate
too far from best practice on winch launching. The BGA has published very
good notes on winching.

If you already have experience with the SHK and / or you are a higher
hours pilot, then it is fine so long as you treat it with a little more
respect than, for example, a K6e.


Mike

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Old December 8th 10, 02:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default winch launching a 17 m shk

On Dec 8, 3:57*am, Michael Clarke
wrote:
At 21:40 06 December 2010, shkdriver wrote:



Anyone have any experience/thoughts to share about winch launching a
shempp-hirth SHK? My example has CG tost hook on gear leg.


Thanks,
Scott W.


Scott,

I had a 17m SHK many years ago. The difference between minimum and maximum
all up weight was about 20 lbs which made one very careful about spinning..
I never had problems launching behind a car, but a very experienced pilot
at Lasham spun his in from a wire launch.

Are you fully experienced on winch launching? A modern high power winch is
rather different to the F100 trucks we used to use for launching, and I
would say that the SHK could bite a little more than some gliders if you
are too sudden with your pull up or if you pull too hard. A V tail is not
the same as a normal T tail, and I imagine that turbulent air off the wing
at a high angle of attack could possibly cause issues.

I enjoyed the glider very much, but you need to be very careful rigging
the main pin (if you are not aware of this then please do research the
issue, it is on the internet - we had a fatality in the UK this year I
believe because of mis-rigging with this system which is very easy to do)
and watch the CofG and spin characteristics. It will bite if you deviate
too far from best practice on winch launching. The BGA has published very
good notes on winching.

If you already have experience with the SHK and / or you are a higher
hours pilot, then it is fine so long as you treat it with a little more
respect than, for example, a K6e.

Mike


Good advice. There was an SHK winch fatal many years ago (Scotland?),
where the pins were not fully home. The winch at Scott's club is not
overly powerful, nor is it wimpy for a small block V-8. I've driven
it. We had a phone chat a couple of evenings ago. Although it's been
29 years since I last winched in SHK S/N 1, I think I was able to
provide the normal cautions and caveats. Sure was fun to soar 5 hours
from a 50p ($1) launch;^) Scott's done his homework and actually did
quite a few winch launches during his training in both the trainer and
a light single seater, which is atypical for most US pilots. He's
also driven the winch a fair amount. He doesn't have many hours in
the SHK yet and is not in a big rush to jump on the winch with it.
The club didn't use the winch much during the past year, but has
committed to using it much more in the next, so he's looking forward
to winching the Sh*t Hot Kite (Schempp-Hirth Kirchheim manager's
description, not mine).

Frank Whiteley
 




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