Glider Collections

I'm interested in finding out what some of the largest private collections of "classic" (roughly 1965-1975) are (Steve I already know you have about a gazillion...).

I currently have an Elfe S-3, Libelle 301, Diamant 17.2 and ASW-12. What do you own?

2C

"about a gazillion" is a bit of an overstatement, Kevin. I think I only have 91 meters of Glasflugel, if I include the FJ-1 (modified 301 wings).

Steve Leonard

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 4:43:24 PM UTC-6, Kevin Christner wrote:
I'm interested in finding out what some of the largest private collections of "classic" (roughly 1965-1975) are (Steve I already know you have about a gazillion...).



I currently have an Elfe S-3, Libelle 301, Diamant 17.2 and ASW-12. What do you own?



2C

2 Cherokee II's, SH-1, The NG-1 (For Sale!), half a Std. Cirrus.

Which Elfe? I helped to pull one out of a barn in northern NJ back in the 1990s. IIRC, it had been flown by George Moffat at some point. I thought it ended up at the Milwaukee School of Engineering...

On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:43:24 PM UTC-5, Kevin Christner wrote:
I'm interested in finding out what some of the largest private collections of "classic" (roughly 1965-1975) are (Steve I already know you have about a gazillion...).



I currently have an Elfe S-3, Libelle 301, Diamant 17.2 and ASW-12. What do you own?



2C

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:31:34 AM UTC-6, Papa3 wrote:
Which Elfe? I helped to pull one out of a barn in northern NJ back in the 1990s. IIRC, it had been flown by George Moffat at some point. I thought it ended up at the Milwaukee School of Engineering.

That was probably the PM3. The S3 flown by (can't remember now) Moffat or Smith in Poland in 1968 came to the US, but got crashed. Last I knew, it was in a salvage yard in Wyoming, Delaware (Jenkins Airport, I think). Have pictures of it somewhere. Don't think Moffat ever flow the PM3, but I could be mistaken.

A bit about the PM3 he

http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/Co.../Elfe_PM3.html

Looks like it has gone to England since then. Looks very nice.

Steve

Yes - it must be the PM3. When I got to it, it had many big holes in the wing skins (plywood) in order to make repairs to various stringers and I believe the controls. The open trailer was massive, with mil-spec wheels that looked like they came from a deuce and a half.

It had been owned by the brother in law of Janice Hoke (of Sailplane Racing News fame) who was captain for United I believe. He was part way through restoration when he became terminally ill. I always wondered if it made it back to flying status.

The fact that the link below mentions Milwaukee suggests it's the same one..


On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 1:47:50 PM UTC-5, Steve Leonard wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:31:34 AM UTC-6, Papa3 wrote:

Which Elfe? I helped to pull one out of a barn in northern NJ back in the 1990s. IIRC, it had been flown by George Moffat at some point. I thought it ended up at the Milwaukee School of Engineering.



That was probably the PM3. The S3 flown by (can't remember now) Moffat or Smith in Poland in 1968 came to the US, but got crashed. Last I knew, it was in a salvage yard in Wyoming, Delaware (Jenkins Airport, I think). Have pictures of it somewhere. Don't think Moffat ever flow the PM3, but I could be mistaken.



A bit about the PM3 he



http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/Co.../Elfe_PM3.html



Looks like it has gone to England since then. Looks very nice.



Steve

We all know who will win the Classic Collection Contest.
Interesting to know where two ASW12s are. Which one does Kevin have? Dave Nelson's 15m version? Mark Grubb's complete refurb? Oder....
The only prescription is more Kowbell!
Jim

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 2:47:07 PM UTC-5, JS wrote:
We all know who will win the Classic Collection Contest.

Interesting to know where two ASW12s are. Which one does Kevin have? Dave Nelson's 15m version? Mark Grubb's complete refurb? Oder....

The only prescription is more Kowbell!

Jim

I have Mark Grubb's. The canopy mod, gas struts allowing 90 degree movement to the rear, is very nice. Unfortunately the polyurethane has not held up well and large areas are cracking off.

AJ and George flew Elfe S3's in 1968. However, if you look at any two S3's, even those with sequential s/n's, while they look the same, they are often internally very different.

Does anyone know if there are any other currently airworthy ASW-12s out there? Not sure how far along Steve is on his. Rick Walters' is working on his. Last I talked to him he was planning on installing spoilers as part of the rebuild process.

The holy grail right now is the 604. Four are sitting in Arizona. No contact from the owner after repeated attempts. I'd also like to get a Sisu. Appears to still be a few airworthy. Only one I've heard of flying recently is AJ's that Dick Butler has and is restoring for eventual return to the NSM.

Ah. But can top trump you all.....
Along with Cirrus, Astir x2, Pegase...the jewel
in the crown. FS24 Phoenix.



At 20:26 19 February 2014, Kevin Christner
wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 2:47:07
PM UTC-5, JS wrote:
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On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 at 2:48:42 PM UTC-6, Go Soaring wrote:
Ah. But can top trump you all.....
Along with Cirrus, Astir x2, Pegase...the jewel
in the crown. FS24 Phoenix.

I am now also a 1/3 partner in FS 24 Phonix T serial 406. N240NX. I think I shall replace the 17 meter Kestrel 401 from my hand with the Phonix. The particular Kestrel has no significant history other than having been cut down to 15 meters then returned to her original 17 meter span.

Which serial Phonix do you have? Any pictures you are willing to share? I would like to see some others.

Best Regards,

Steve Leonard

"He who dies with the most toys still dies"