argh -- flight plan routes

ventmode
I am an inexperienced instrument pilot and I just don't understand why
we file routes on our flight plans at all!

I never get what I filed, anyway, and it's not uncommon that the route
I actually get shares not a single waypoint with what I filed.

It is an interesting game to try to guess what they want you to do,
file that, and see if I get it back, but I so seldom win at it. I even
use the trick of, yes, filing what they gave me last time, but no, even
that is not sure-fire.

It's not that I'm complaining, but, okay, I'm complaining a bit.

- is the route box in the flight plan form just an anachronism from
a more flexible time in history
- why shouldn't I just file DIRECT?
- The equipment I have access to is /A. If I did file direct, will
the routing I get be /A friendly? This is perhaps tricky and illegal,
because I know that I couldn't actually fly the direct route I asked
for. (well, that's a total side discussion, I know, what I can do with
radar vectors and a VFR GPS)

This is all only a minor annoyance, except for when I am sitting in the
runup area with a newly picked up clearance, trying to figure out where
those fixes are while the hobbs meter is running.

/ventmode

-- dave j
-- jacobowitz73 --at-- yahoo --dot-- com

wrote:
- is the route box in the flight plan form just an anachronism from
a more flexible time in history

To a certain extent, yes. At least in some parts of the world with
busy airspace, where ATC pretty much just assigns you a canned route.

- why shouldn't I just file DIRECT?

Many people do just that. Personally, I think it's just being lazy.
Look up the routes in the back of the AFD. If your exact
destination/origin isn't there, try and figure out what the most
likely route is based on nearby airports. Or access the FAA route
database on-line (http://tinyurl.com/8w2l). It's always nice to hear
"cleared as filed".

This is all only a minor annoyance, except for when I am sitting in the
runup area with a newly picked up clearance, trying to figure out where
those fixes are while the hobbs meter is running.

See above :-)

Look up the routes in the back of the AFD. If your exact
destination/origin isn't there, try and figure out what the most
likely route is based on nearby airports. Or access the FAA route
database on-line (http://tinyurl.com/8w2l). It's always nice to hear
"cleared as filed".

I have done both of those, with middling success. The route database
seems rather sparse. For example, it's not got a lot of low altitude
California to California dep/dest pairs other than SFO/LAX.

I do remember there was a website for the old Bay Approach which had a
lot of preferred local and TEC routings. Can=B4t find it.

Avweb has an article about this, too:
http://tinyurl.com/6k25m

dave j

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Look up the routes in the back of the AFD. If your exact
destination/origin isn't there, try and figure out what the most
likely route is based on nearby airports. Or access the FAA route
database on-line (http://tinyurl.com/8w2l). It's always nice to hear
"cleared as filed".

I have done both of those, with middling success. The route database
seems rather sparse. For example, it's not got a lot of low altitude
California to California dep/dest pairs other than SFO/LAX.

I do remember there was a website for the old Bay Approach which had a
lot of preferred local and TEC routings. Can´t find it.
-----

Is this the one you are looking for?
http://www.faa.gov/ats/oakaifss/TEC/TECInfo.htm

Roy Smith wrote:

Look up the routes in the back of the AFD.

In the Northeast US, filing the preferred route does not always guarantee a
cleared as filed, for the "real" preferred routes are not the published
routes.

Flying into Boston from the west at a low altitude is one example of a
cleared route that differs from the A/FD's published routes.

--
Peter













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"Peter R." wrote:

Roy Smith wrote:

Look up the routes in the back of the AFD.

In the Northeast US, filing the preferred route does not always guarantee a
cleared as filed

No, it doesn't. The published routes are a good guess, though. The worst
that happens if you file the "wrong" route and you get a full route
clearance.

Does ATC really care about details of the route as long as you end up at
one of the fixes used for the STAR arrivals? I've always had good luck
filing a direct route to the STAR fix. For instance, to the Detroit
satellite airports, I would file direct to CRUXX and then to the
destination. I do the same thing for Chicago-Midway: direct to CGT and
then to MDW. As long as my route does not go through any other airspace
or MOA, I get cleared as filed. Same for Cleveland area airports: direct
to KEATN and then to the destination airport. I've not had many
instances where this technique has failed.





Roy Smith wrote in
:

"Peter R." wrote:

Roy Smith wrote:

Look up the routes in the back of the AFD.

In the Northeast US, filing the preferred route does not always
guarantee a cleared as filed

No, it doesn't. The published routes are a good guess, though. The
worst that happens if you file the "wrong" route and you get a full
route clearance.

In the northeast there are 2 sets of "preferred routes".

thera are TEC routes, and there are preferred routes.

Which one you get will often depend on your altitude.



On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:23:40 -0500, "Peter R."
wrote:

Roy Smith wrote:

Look up the routes in the back of the AFD.

In the Northeast US, filing the preferred route does not always guarantee a
cleared as filed, for the "real" preferred routes are not the published
routes.

Flying into Boston from the west at a low altitude is one example of a
cleared route that differs from the A/FD's published routes.

In article ,
wrote:

In the northeast there are 2 sets of "preferred routes".

thera are TEC routes, and there are preferred routes.

Which one you get will often depend on your altitude.

This is one of the more brain-dead things the FAA does. There may be good
reasons why, from an internal FAA point of view, there are two sets of
routes. From a user perspective, however, it's absurd that they're not
folded into a single table.

Not really. The two sets of "preferred" routes (like Peter pointed out) are
due to altitude restrictions dictated by the traffic flow from the
KJFK/KLGA/KEWR trio. This is further driven by the runways in use. With the
possible departure/arrival combinations from the three airports, it would be
very hard to guess the preferred route of the moment. To put that into a
table would be confusing.

That being said, the routes from Long Island are pretty predictable going
west/southwest. Pretty much follows the preferred routes on the FAA
database.

Marco Leon

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...

This is one of the more brain-dead things the FAA does. There may be good
reasons why, from an internal FAA point of view, there are two sets of
routes. From a user perspective, however, it's absurd that they're not
folded into a single table.



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