Lost flight plans

The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
computers.

Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?

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Dan
C172RG at BFM

I used it last week and it worked fine.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened, and
it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different computers.

Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?

--

Dan
C172RG at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:

The last two IFR flight plams I've filed via DUATS have been lost. One
was for a trip leaving BFM in Mobile and the other was out of MSN,
Madison, WI. This is the first time in five years this has happened,
and it happened twice in a row. The plans were filed on different
computers.

Anyone else have any trouble like that with DUATS lately?

In the tradition of asking, "is the computer plugged in," how do you know
the flight plans were lost? Are you sure it wasn't a zulu/local time
mistake that led to the flight plan not being available to the controller?

I ask this because I occasionally will arrive at the airport and preflight
much earlier than I anticipated, then call for my clearance only to
discover that ATC cannot find my flight plan. It then dawns on me that I
am attempting to get my clearance earlier than 1/2 hour prior to my
estimated departure time, which means the flight plan is not yet available
to the controller.

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Peter


















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Peter R. wrote:


I ask this because I occasionally will arrive at the airport and preflight
much earlier than I anticipated, then call for my clearance only to
discover that ATC cannot find my flight plan. It then dawns on me that I
am attempting to get my clearance earlier than 1/2 hour prior to my
estimated departure time, which means the flight plan is not yet available
to the controller.

Another difference with DUATS and AFSS filed flight plans is with an
AFSS filed flight plan I have access to it immediately via the Tower's
FDIO. A DUATs flightplan doesn't get sent to the center immediately
therefore when you show up early I have no access to your flightplan
because it isn't in the system yet.

In the old days it would be held in "temporary storage" at the flight plans
originating computer. It would then be printed out at the sector and
terminal facility approximately 30 minutes prior to the Proposed Departure
time. This was a site paramater that could be adjusted. Now it also may
have parameters from the DUATS.

Al

"Newps" wrote in message
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Peter R. wrote:


I ask this because I occasionally will arrive at the airport and
preflight
much earlier than I anticipated, then call for my clearance only to
discover that ATC cannot find my flight plan. It then dawns on me that I
am attempting to get my clearance earlier than 1/2 hour prior to my
estimated departure time, which means the flight plan is not yet
available
to the controller.

Another difference with DUATS and AFSS filed flight plans is with an AFSS
filed flight plan I have access to it immediately via the Tower's FDIO. A
DUATs flightplan doesn't get sent to the center immediately therefore when
you show up early I have no access to your flightplan because it isn't in
the system yet.

Peter R. wrote:


I ask this because I occasionally will arrive at the airport and
preflight
much earlier than I anticipated, then call for my clearance only to
discover that ATC cannot find my flight plan. It then dawns on me
that I
am attempting to get my clearance earlier than 1/2 hour prior to my
estimated departure time, which means the flight plan is not yet
available
to the controller.

piggybacking - Peter R's post did not appear on my server

I filed both these plans more than two hours prior to departure time,
and did not attempt to leave early.

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Dan
C172RG at BFM

That was one thing that used to happen
Al

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

Peter R. wrote:


I ask this because I occasionally will arrive at the airport and
preflight
much earlier than I anticipated, then call for my clearance only to
discover that ATC cannot find my flight plan. It then dawns on me that
I
am attempting to get my clearance earlier than 1/2 hour prior to my
estimated departure time, which means the flight plan is not yet
available
to the controller.

piggybacking - Peter R's post did not appear on my server

I filed both these plans more than two hours prior to departure time, and
did not attempt to leave early.

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Dan
C172RG at BFM

Sounds like operator error.

"Lynne" wrote:

Sounds like operator error.

Why?

DUATS accepted the plans. The summaries printed back correctly.

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Dan
C172RG at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:

"Lynne" wrote:

Sounds like operator error.

Why?

DUATS accepted the plans. The summaries printed back correctly.

She/he is probably implying some type of GIGO (garbage in, garbage out)
error.

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Peter