Phraseology

What is the proper phraseology to alert the controller that you are being
vectored through the localizer?
I'm thinking something like:
Approach, N12345 vector through localizer?

Thanks,

Tom

"Approach, do you want us to join the localizer?"


"Thomas Myers" wrote in
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What is the proper phraseology to alert the controller that you are being
vectored through the localizer?
I'm thinking something like:
Approach, N12345 vector through localizer?

Thanks,

Tom

Scott Dommin wrote:
"Approach, do you want us to join the localizer?"

Personally I leave my Sar Chasm on the ground when I talk to
ATC and if you're receiving vectors for the approach, that's
how the above comes across to me.

Cheers,
Sydney

I don't see it as sarcasm....I've said the same thing hundreds of times.

Bob Gardner

"Sydney Hoeltzli" wrote in message
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Scott Dommin wrote:
"Approach, do you want us to join the localizer?"

Personally I leave my Sar Chasm on the ground when I talk to
ATC and if you're receiving vectors for the approach, that's
how the above comes across to me.

Cheers,
Sydney

Bob Gardner wrote:

I don't see it as sarcasm....I've said the same thing hundreds of times.

Right. The controller might have some reason for you to not join at the
moment. That's occurred to me a few times - although I believe that I was
given a head's up on this from the controller each of those times.

- Andrew

In article , Andrew Gideon
wrote:

Bob Gardner wrote:

I don't see it as sarcasm....I've said the same thing hundreds of times.

Right. The controller might have some reason for you to not join at the
moment. That's occurred to me a few times - although I believe that I was
given a head's up on this from the controller each of those times.

Yes, I've been told on several occasions, "Vectors through the final
approach course for faster traffic behing you", and then been vectored
back around to join the localizer from the other side.

Thomas Myers wrote:
What is the proper phraseology to alert the controller that you are being
vectored through the localizer?
I'm thinking something like:
Approach, N12345 vector through localizer?

Just give the facts.

They know you're on vectors, you don't need to tell them.

"Approach, N12345 is through the localizer"

Sydney

Thomas Myers wrote in message
...
What is the proper phraseology to alert the controller that you are being
vectored through the localizer?
I'm thinking something like:
Approach, N12345 vector through localizer?

Thanks,

Tom

The time it happened to me, I said, "Approach, 7NZ is flying through the
localizer". He replied something like "that is correct, for spacing, I'll
turn you back on in a moment". But this was VMC, practice approach, at
Austin...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas

Just "345 is flying through the localizer". In my experience, you'll get
one of two responses:

-- "oops, intercept" (or one time "oops, too late to intercept, turn
heading so-and-so to return for intercept")
-- "affirmative, fly so-and-so for spacing"

In VMC it's no big deal. In IMC with terrain if I didn't get an
immediate response (or the freq was busy) I'd invoke 91.3 and
intercept. There have been fatalities from people crossing the loc
and hitting terrain. I'd rather not be one.

John

"John Clonts" wrote in message
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Thomas Myers wrote in
message
...
What is the proper phraseology to alert the controller that you are
being
vectored through the localizer?
I'm thinking something like:
Approach, N12345 vector through localizer?

Thanks,

Tom

The time it happened to me, I said, "Approach, 7NZ is flying through the
localizer". He replied something like "that is correct, for spacing, I'll
turn you back on in a moment". But this was VMC, practice approach, at
Austin...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas

In VMC it's no big deal. In IMC with terrain if I didn't get an
immediate response (or the freq was busy) I'd invoke 91.3 and
intercept. There have been fatalities from people crossing the loc
and hitting terrain. I'd rather not be one.

Funny you bring that up...there's an airport with an ILS in a 3800' MVA that
we vector to final for all the time. When issuing a base leg turn, the
controllers tell the aircraft, "if no instructions are received prior to
reaching the localizer, intercept the localizer inbound and advise." The
airport is less than 5 miles from a 9500' MVA and the base leg points the
aircraft right at the Olympic Mountains! So in that instance, since the
pilot was instructed to intercept the LOC, that's what I'd expect.
Elsewhere, I'd just expect the pilot to say something like Scott wrote,
"Approach, N12345, do you want us to join the localizer?"

I don't take it as sarcastic if an aircraft advises me they're flying
thought the localizer. Most of my vectors to final are to a PAR or ACLS FAC
so if I make a late turn to final I usually have some final controller
yelling at me from across the room. If you have to advise me you're through
the FAC it's probably too late and I was probably busy with something else
and missed your turn to final since we're supposed to tell the aircraft when
to expect a vector across the FAC.

from 7110.65 (http://www2.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp5/atc0509.html#5-9-3):
5-9-3. VECTORS ACROSS FINAL APPROACH COURSE

Inform the aircraft whenever a vector will take it across the final approach
course and state the reason for such action.

NOTE-
In the event you are unable to so inform the aircraft, the pilot is not
expected to turn inbound on the final approach course unless approach
clearance has been issued.

PHRASEOLOGY-
EXPECT VECTORS ACROSS FINAL FOR (purpose).

EXAMPLE-
"EXPECT VECTORS ACROSS FINAL FOR SPACING."

REFERENCE-
FAAO 7110.65, Final Approach Course Interception, Para 5-9-2.


73,
Bud
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