initial fix an intersection

Why is it bad flight planning to use an intersection for your initial fix on
your IFR flight?

My plan has two NAVs and an IFR GPS. So I have at least 3 ways to identify
the intersection granted doing it with one NAV is painful during departure
but it could be done. I curious to hear people opinions.

Scott

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It's sounds ok to use an INT as an initial approach fix under your
circumstances, but do you think that ATC's clearance will be of the same
mind as what you planned?

Kobra



"SFM" wrote in message
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Why is it bad flight planning to use an intersection for your initial fix
on
your IFR flight?

My plan has two NAVs and an IFR GPS. So I have at least 3 ways to identify
the intersection granted doing it with one NAV is painful during departure
but it could be done. I curious to hear people opinions.

Scott

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Where does it say that it is bad planning?

Bob Gardner

"SFM" wrote in message
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Why is it bad flight planning to use an intersection for your initial fix
on
your IFR flight?

My plan has two NAVs and an IFR GPS. So I have at least 3 ways to identify
the intersection granted doing it with one NAV is painful during departure
but it could be done. I curious to hear people opinions.

Scott

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"SFM" writes:

Why is it bad flight planning to use an intersection for your
initial fix on your IFR flight?

I've never heard the issue discussed, myself, but I imagine that the
problem would be navigating to the intersection from the airport if
you didn't have an IFR GPS and you were not starting out on one of the
intersecting airways.


All the best,


David

"David Megginson" wrote in message
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I've never heard the issue discussed, myself, but I imagine that the
problem would be navigating to the intersection from the airport if
you didn't have an IFR GPS and you were not starting out on one of the
intersecting airways.


Well, you shouldn't plan what you can't do, but it's his plan and he does
have an IFR GPS so that's not a problem.

David Megginson wrote in message ...

I've never heard the issue discussed, myself, but I imagine that the
problem would be navigating to the intersection from the airport if
you didn't have an IFR GPS and you were not starting out on one of the
intersecting airways.

Why can't you just navigate to the intersection with
two VORs? Isn't that taught?

One VOR, I wouldn't care to attempt myself. Would want to
be established on an airway.

Cheers,
Sydney

Snowbird wrote:

Why can't you just navigate to the intersection with
two VORs? Isn't that taught?


There's the concept of "positive course guidance". As far as I know it's not
codified anywhere, it's just recognized by some as good practice. I asked the
same questions, in this same forum, a long time ago, and I came away from that
encounter convinced that positive course guidance is a good thing. I now file
flight plans that use only positive course guidance.

In other words, the initial fix on my route is a ground based navaid of some
kind. If I had a certified GPS, I would have no heartburn about using some
random intersection as an initial fix.

Dave
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Snowbird wrote:
David Megginson wrote in message ...


I've never heard the issue discussed, myself, but I imagine that the
problem would be navigating to the intersection from the airport if
you didn't have an IFR GPS and you were not starting out on one of the
intersecting airways.


Why can't you just navigate to the intersection with
two VORs? Isn't that taught?

One VOR, I wouldn't care to attempt myself. Would want to
be established on an airway.

Cheers,
Sydney

It is pretty hard to fly a straight line using two VORs, unless you are
on a line between one of the VORs and the intersection.


Matt

"SFM" wrote:
Why is it bad flight planning to use an intersection for your initial
fix on your IFR flight?

Who says it is? I file to STETS as my first fix every time I head north
out of Mobile -- if I don't, ZHU will do it for me anyway.
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Dan
C172RG at BFM

"SFM" wrote in message
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Why is it bad flight planning to use an intersection for your initial fix
on
your IFR flight?


It isn't.