Useless radio transmissions

CFIs, will you please, PLEASE stop teaching students
this stuff?!!! 8^)

On 122.75:
Making 30+ second long position reports, 4500 feet over some
non-descript / podunk town. More annoying when the broadcaster does
so in broken english. Even more annoying when the broadcaster does
so every 5 minutes!

On CTAF:
Announcing that you're taxiing from your parking spot to "the active
runway" at an airport that's the size of an ex-WW2 air base.
Who cares?

On CTAF:
Announcing that you're "Clear of the active". You might think anyone
who is waiting to take off can *see* when you're clear. The only
exception I can think of is a (severely) crowned runway where the
other
end can't be seen from the departure end.

I'll think of some more later.... grins

Bela P. Havasreti

Bela P. Havasreti wrote:
CFIs, will you please, PLEASE stop teaching students

On CTAF:
Announcing that you're "Clear of the active".

How about the fact that uncontrolled fields don't have an "active"?

A pilot can choose any runway he or she feels is best at an uncontrolled
field. I personally don't see a big problem with a quick "7-7-Lima is
clear of two-seven", as you really can't be sure if a waiting aircraft
can see you, especially if this is you're first trip into a destination.

I'm with ya' on the other stuff.

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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How about the fact that uncontrolled fields don't have an "active"?


Of course they do. "Active Runway" means any runway or runways currently
being used for takeoff or landing.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Of course they do. "Active Runway" means any runway or runways currently
being used for takeoff or landing.

And if more than one are in use, how does anyone know which one is
pertinent?

Who declares the "active" at an uncontrolled field?

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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And if more than one are in use, how does anyone know which one is
pertinent?


I'd consider them all pertinent, especially since they probably intersect.



Who declares the "active" at an uncontrolled field?


Whoever chooses the runway.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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And if more than one are in use, how does anyone know which one is
pertinent?


I'd consider them all pertinent, especially since they probably intersect.


Who declares the "active" at an uncontrolled field?


Whoever chooses the runway.




Fair enough. But how is the term "active" useful to the other pilots
using the uncontrolled airport, vs. the actual runway identifier?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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And if more than one are in use, how does anyone know which one is
pertinent?


I'd consider them all pertinent, especially since they probably intersect.

Right, so for the purpose of this thread, "clear the active" isn't very
descriptive, while "clear two-seven" (or whatever) is.

-jav

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:01:44 GMT, B A R R Y
wrote:

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Of course they do. "Active Runway" means any runway or runways currently
being used for takeoff or landing.

And if more than one are in use, how does anyone know which one is
pertinent?

Who declares the "active" at an uncontrolled field?



This happens at an airport near me all the time (just happens to
be an ex-WW2 air base). When the wind is blowing out of the
NW, those who park their airplanes on the east side of the
airport typically use runway 34. Those who park on the SW
side of the airport use runway 29 (I've seen both runways being
used all day long).

Bela P. Havasreti

Bela P. Havasreti wrote:

This happens at an airport near me all the time (just happens to
be an ex-WW2 air base). When the wind is blowing out of the
NW, those who park their airplanes on the east side of the
airport typically use runway 34. Those who park on the SW
side of the airport use runway 29 (I've seen both runways being
used all day long).

Same with my home base.

9-27 is the long one, 18-36 is the other . 36 starts right next to the
gas pumps and 27 is at the other end of the parking area. Most folks
will use 9-27, even with a decent crosswind, for departure but not
landing, while others will land directly into the wind, or depart
directly from the FBO area. 18 requires back taxiing, so it's rarely
used for departure, except by green students. There's no instrument
approach or visual aids on 18-36, further adding to it's use with
crosswinds.

"Active" can narrow it down to 2 or 3 of the 4! G

And if more than one are in use, how does anyone know which one is
pertinent?

Who declares the "active" at an uncontrolled field?

Good question. Just today I was about to take runway 19 at an
uncontrolled field when
another aircraft announced he was turning final for 1. The wind, such
as it was, was a slight breeze from the South - the windsock was limp.
So it was up to the pilot's diecretion as to which to use. I held short
while the other aircraft landed (and declared "clear of the active")
before taking the runway. No sooner had I done so than along comes
somebody else on an IFR approach for 1.

This brings up an interesting question: Who has the right of way? Me,
because I am already on the runway, ready to take off - or the traffic
on approach, because it was "landing" (though had not so stated - only
an "IFR Approach" called out). As it
turned out, I held at the departure end, and the traffic declared a
missed approach (perhaps having intended to do so all along?), and
passed overhead.

Bottom line: Its a crapshoot. Anybody remember the old Tetrahedrons
that were used to indicate the active runway in the old days? I assume
that they went away because they
1. required someone to decide which way to point them, then 2. go out
and turn the Tetrahedron. That, of course, requires an employee on duty
- an endangered species in this penny-pinching age.