Filing with a STAR

I'm going to be flying from ROC to BAF weekend after next. Just plugging
the end points into Aeroplanner gives me a nice simple route V2 ALB V146,
but I see that BAF has a STAR, SWEDE ONE. It's a bit longer than the
simple route, and since I've never flown that direction I don't know if I
should file what I want and expect them to reroute me along SWEDE ONE, or
should I just admit the inevitable and file SWEDE ONE? If I do that, how
do you put it in a flight plan? Is it V2 SYR V433 RKA RKA.SWEDE1?


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In a previous article, (Paul Tomblin) said:
should file what I want and expect them to reroute me along SWEDE ONE, or
should I just admit the inevitable and file SWEDE ONE? If I do that, how
do you put it in a flight plan? Is it V2 SYR V433 RKA RKA.SWEDE1?

Oh, and I just noticed the note for STELA that says "Expect to cross at
11,000". I don't think I want to climb that high.


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Paul Tomblin wrote:

In a previous article, (Paul Tomblin) said:
should file what I want and expect them to reroute me along SWEDE ONE, or
should I just admit the inevitable and file SWEDE ONE? If I do that, how
do you put it in a flight plan? Is it V2 SYR V433 RKA RKA.SWEDE1?

Oh, and I just noticed the note for STELA that says "Expect to cross at
11,000". I don't think I want to climb that high.

Does it state on the STAR "For Turbojets?"

In a previous article, said:
Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, (Paul Tomblin) said:
should file what I want and expect them to reroute me along SWEDE ONE, or
should I just admit the inevitable and file SWEDE ONE? If I do that, how
do you put it in a flight plan? Is it V2 SYR V433 RKA RKA.SWEDE1?

Oh, and I just noticed the note for STELA that says "Expect to cross at
11,000". I don't think I want to climb that high.

Does it state on the STAR "For Turbojets?"

Nope. But three of the four transitions say "are high altitude only".
And SWEDE says "Expect to cross at or below FL230".


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I'm guessing the STAR is there to avoid conflicts with jet traffic from
Bradley (BDL) to the South. I'd just file to BAF and expect vectors from
Bradley Approach. Of course, if you want to know for sure, you could take
out the A/FD and call Bradley and ask.

-cwk.

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In a previous article, said:
Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, (Paul Tomblin) said:
should file what I want and expect them to reroute me along SWEDE ONE,
or
should I just admit the inevitable and file SWEDE ONE? If I do that,
how
do you put it in a flight plan? Is it V2 SYR V433 RKA RKA.SWEDE1?

Oh, and I just noticed the note for STELA that says "Expect to cross at
11,000". I don't think I want to climb that high.

Does it state on the STAR "For Turbojets?"

Nope. But three of the four transitions say "are high altitude only".
And SWEDE says "Expect to cross at or below FL230".

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In a previous article, (Paul Tomblin) said:
should file what I want and expect them to reroute me along SWEDE ONE, or
should I just admit the inevitable and file SWEDE ONE? If I do that, how
do you put it in a flight plan? Is it V2 SYR V433 RKA RKA.SWEDE1?

Oh, and I just noticed the note for STELA that says "Expect to cross at
11,000". I don't think I want to climb that high.





You can always say unable to climb to 11,000, but for lost comm purposes if
you are not prepared to climb that high, don't file the STAR. What I would
do is file ROC V2 ALB V130 BDL. This route is almost exactly the same as
the STAR.


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You can always say unable to climb to 11,000, but for lost comm purposes if
you are not prepared to climb that high, don't file the STAR.


Or, file the STAR, but make clear when you read back your clearance what
altitude you will climb to upon lost comm. Get them to confirm. You only fall
back on the flight plan absent a clearance.

Jose

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Paul Tomblin wrote:

I'm going to be flying from ROC to BAF weekend after next. Just plugging
the end points into Aeroplanner gives me a nice simple route V2 ALB V146,
but I see that BAF has a STAR, SWEDE ONE. It's a bit longer than the
simple route, and since I've never flown that direction I don't know if I
should file what I want and expect them to reroute me along SWEDE ONE, or
should I just admit the inevitable and file SWEDE ONE? If I do that, how
do you put it in a flight plan? Is it V2 SYR V433 RKA RKA.SWEDE1?


You don't need to state RKA twice, and you need to connect with dots::

V2.SYR.V433.RKA.SWEDE1


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(Paul Tomblin) wrote in message ...
I'm going to be flying from ROC to BAF weekend after next. Just plugging
the end points into Aeroplanner gives me a nice simple route V2 ALB V146,
but I see that BAF has a STAR, SWEDE ONE. It's a bit longer than the
simple route, and since I've never flown that direction I don't know if I
should file what I want and expect them to reroute me along SWEDE ONE, or
should I just admit the inevitable and file SWEDE ONE? If I do that, how
do you put it in a flight plan? Is it V2 SYR V433 RKA RKA.SWEDE1?

Its pretty rare that a STAR is actually given to a non-jet aircraft
though. Usually they want us away from the STAR so we don't get in the
way.

-Robert

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I'm going to be flying from ROC to BAF weekend after next. Just plugging
the end points into Aeroplanner gives me a nice simple route V2 ALB V146,
but I see that BAF has a STAR, SWEDE ONE. It's a bit longer than the
Its pretty rare that a STAR is actually given to a non-jet aircraft
though. Usually they want us away from the STAR so we don't get in the
way.

Ah, interesting. My only experience with STARs is flying into Ottawa
(CYOW), where they want me on CYRIL ONE every time. (And in that case, I
don't know if it's a cross border issue, but FSS won't let me file either
the waypoint CYRIL or the CYRIL ONE arrival, so I file direct from ART and
get a re-route as soon as I start talking to Wheeler Sack approach.
Fortunately I've already got it in my GPS because I've ready for them.)


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