IFR through Florida - airways?

Due to a business meeting, I will be flying from NY to Miami, Florida in a
few weeks.

In looking over the en route charts, I see a lot of MOAs, restricted, and
prohibited airspaces throughout Florida. Also, my destination is
Kendall-Tamiami (KTMB), which is just southwest of Miami International and
below their Class B.

It appears that the most likely option is to plan and file airways/VORs
through central and western Florida, with the idea of arriving into TMB
from the west and ask for direct as I am flying, rather than filing direct.

Could anyone with Florida IFR experience share your thoughts on IFR flight
through Florida? Thanks.

--
Peter

Peter R. wrote:

Due to a business meeting, I will be flying from NY to Miami, Florida in a
few weeks.

In looking over the en route charts, I see a lot of MOAs, restricted, and
prohibited airspaces throughout Florida. Also, my destination is
Kendall-Tamiami (KTMB), which is just southwest of Miami International and
below their Class B.

It appears that the most likely option is to plan and file airways/VORs
through central and western Florida, with the idea of arriving into TMB
from the west and ask for direct as I am flying, rather than filing direct.

Could anyone with Florida IFR experience share your thoughts on IFR flight
through Florida? Thanks.



If you are planning on flying down the east coast, from the GA-FL border
to Vero Beach, expect a reroute around JAX airspace to the west (I call
it the Central Florida Tour) unless you can fly above 12,000.

john smith wrote:

If you are planning on flying down the east coast, from the GA-FL border
to Vero Beach, expect a reroute around JAX airspace to the west (I call
it the Central Florida Tour) unless you can fly above 12,000.

Thanks. I do have the capabilities to fly above 12k if need be. My
concern about coming down the east coast is that what happens upon reaching
Miami class B. I would expect a lot of vectoring out of the way there.

--
Peter

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"Peter R." wrote:

john smith wrote:

If you are planning on flying down the east coast, from the GA-FL border
to Vero Beach, expect a reroute around JAX airspace to the west (I call
it the Central Florida Tour) unless you can fly above 12,000.

I have lived in the Orlando area for 20 years, and done lots of IFR up
and down the east coast. Never been re-routed west around JAX. Be
aware of the submarine pen at St. Marys, GA -- was TFR, I think it's now
Prohibited.

Another thing, re altitudes. IFR up and down the east coast will
usually be assigned even thousands southbound and odd thousands
northbound. When on the airways, this frequently goes against the
odd-east / even-west that is standard.

OP was from NY area. If you can handle IFR there (I got initial
training at Colts Neck, many years ago), Florida won't have any nasty
surprises for you. St. Augustine has a decent restaurant at the FBO;
fuel prices at the city-operated self-serve (base of the tower) are
frequently much better than at the FBO. Another well-kept secret for
fuel on the north-south route is Baxley GA (BHC). Good-sized runway,
IFR approaches, reasonable fuel prices, nice people at the FBO. Van
available at no charge for food run into town. Call ahead and they will
tell you where they leave van keys if you're arriving when FBO not
attended. Keypad to let you into FBO during unattended times, just key
in the UNICOM frequency to unlock the door.

On 1/15/2007 9:37:17 PM, "L. R. Du Broff" wrote:

OP was from NY area. If you can handle IFR there (I got initial
training at Colts Neck, many years ago), Florida won't have any nasty
surprises for you.

Thanks, L.R.

I returned from the trip last night. IFR down to Miami on Thursday and back
on Saturday evening. Total hours down with one fuel stop was 8 hours, thanks
to some moderate and stronger than forecasted headwinds. Return trip was an
hour and a half shorter, with lighter headwinds.

Lesson learned the hard way: All the FBOs at Tamiami airport in Miami closes
up tighter than a government office on a holiday after 9:30pm during the
week. Unbelievable that during the two phone conversations I had with
Reliance there about my arrival time (planned on arriving at 8:30p), the
clerks there failed to mention the severity of arriving after they close. I
am just as guilty for ASSuming that they would be open, given that the
airport serves a major US city.

In any case, I sat outside the airport for an hour and a half until a cab
came by that I could hire to take me to my meeting location. That was a very
miserable experience.

Another aviation bad memory for me to log, or as some would say, an adventure
worth telling.



--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message
...

Lesson learned the hard way: All the FBOs at Tamiami airport in Miami
closes
up tighter than a government office on a holiday after 9:30pm during the
week. Unbelievable that during the two phone conversations I had with
Reliance there about my arrival time (planned on arriving at 8:30p), the
clerks there failed to mention the severity of arriving after they close.
I
am just as guilty for ASSuming that they would be open, given that the
airport serves a major US city.

In any case, I sat outside the airport for an hour and a half until a cab
came by that I could hire to take me to my meeting location. That was a
very
miserable experience.

Sounds like when I flew into Heathrow after 10:00PM. Place was like a tomb.

I've been flying there once. Filed down the east coast, although there was a
Shuttle landing at that day and the airspace was supposed to be closed until
around my crossing time there.

Got cleared as filed, waited for the rerouting - which didn't come. I ended
up flying just next to Cape Canaveral with the Shuttle still parked on the
runway... beautiful sight!!

My understanding is, if you file "direct", you'll most likely get a reroute.
Any other experiences out there?

Happy flying,
Patrick


"john smith" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Peter R. wrote:

Due to a business meeting, I will be flying from NY to Miami, Florida in a
few weeks.

In looking over the en route charts, I see a lot of MOAs, restricted, and
prohibited airspaces throughout Florida. Also, my destination is
Kendall-Tamiami (KTMB), which is just southwest of Miami International and
below their Class B.

It appears that the most likely option is to plan and file airways/VORs
through central and western Florida, with the idea of arriving into TMB
from the west and ask for direct as I am flying, rather than filing
direct.

Could anyone with Florida IFR experience share your thoughts on IFR flight
through Florida? Thanks.


If you are planning on flying down the east coast, from the GA-FL border
to Vero Beach, expect a reroute around JAX airspace to the west (I call it
the Central Florida Tour) unless you can fly above 12,000.

I've filed direct through Florida, and gotten it.

I have run into problems when I've tried changing routing in flight.
ATC accommodated me, but it was apparent that they were handling a lot
of traffic and the re-route used up a lot of their scarce time. Gave me
a lot of airways and waypoints. I'd recommend filing the way you want
to go.

Lots of airplanes crammed into a small space.

Rich

Patrick Mayer wrote:
I've been flying there once. Filed down the east coast, although there was a
Shuttle landing at that day and the airspace was supposed to be closed until
around my crossing time there.

Got cleared as filed, waited for the rerouting - which didn't come. I ended
up flying just next to Cape Canaveral with the Shuttle still parked on the
runway... beautiful sight!!

My understanding is, if you file "direct", you'll most likely get a reroute.
Any other experiences out there?

Happy flying,
Patrick

john smith wrote:
If you are planning on flying down the east coast, from the GA-FL border
to Vero Beach, expect a reroute around JAX airspace to the west (I call
it the Central Florida Tour) unless you can fly above 12,000.


You can't get V-437 any more? I used to run down the coast that way before I
cut over to the Bahamas from Vero Beach.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

I flew to Miami from NJ and used V1 almost all the way to Jacksonville.

Kobra


"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Due to a business meeting, I will be flying from NY to Miami, Florida in a
few weeks.

In looking over the en route charts, I see a lot of MOAs, restricted, and
prohibited airspaces throughout Florida. Also, my destination is
Kendall-Tamiami (KTMB), which is just southwest of Miami International and
below their Class B.

It appears that the most likely option is to plan and file airways/VORs
through central and western Florida, with the idea of arriving into TMB
from the west and ask for direct as I am flying, rather than filing
direct.

Could anyone with Florida IFR experience share your thoughts on IFR flight
through Florida? Thanks.

--
Peter