Busting airspace question

Hypothetically speaking, what happens if a student wanders off course and
clips the inside of a class B ring. I've heard stories of the FAA waiting
for violators at the airport.



If these stories are true, how does ATC figure out who the pilot/aircraft is
and which airport to find them? What if you were squawking 1200 and landed
at a non-towered airport?



How serious is this infraction and what generally happens to the hapless
pilot?



Dallas

If it is a serious enough violation.. they will track the aircraft by radar
as far as possible, and many times they will call ahead and have some
authority type waiting, or calling into to the Class D Tower. But you said
uncontrolled field.

If it is a mere clipping and he was not "eyeballed" by another aircraft for
a description and n-number, by landing at a non-towered it field may be
difficult to prove. Of course, a lot of Class B airspace may have local
police air units on frequency, and if the air unit is free, and the
violation serious enough, they may ask the air unit to intercept to at least
gather an n-number or steer the violator away from the dense airspace.

BT

"Dallas" wrote in message
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Hypothetically speaking, what happens if a student wanders off course and
clips the inside of a class B ring. I've heard stories of the FAA
waiting for violators at the airport.



If these stories are true, how does ATC figure out who the pilot/aircraft
is and which airport to find them? What if you were squawking 1200 and
landed at a non-towered airport?



How serious is this infraction and what generally happens to the hapless
pilot?



Dallas

On Jan 31, 4:33 pm, "Dallas" wrote:
Hypothetically speaking, what happens if a student wanders off course and
clips the inside of a class B ring. I've heard stories of the FAA waiting
for violators at the airport.

If these stories are true, how does ATC figure out who the pilot/aircraft is
and which airport to find them? What if you were squawking 1200 and landed
at a non-towered airport?

How serious is this infraction and what generally happens to the hapless
pilot?


A friend of mine got a 30 day suspension and a bad record for 5 years
on his solo cross country. Personally, I require my students to use
flight following in case they get into the class C by mistake.
-Robert

On Jan 31, 9:57 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Jan 31, 4:33 pm, "Dallas" wrote:


A friend of mine got a 30 day suspension and a bad record for 5 years
on his solo cross country. Personally, I require my students to use
flight following in case they get into the class C by mistake.
-Robert

Robert,
A 30 day suspension for what?Did he contest this in court?What
happened to his instructor?
How does using flight following absolve you from guilt when you
violate a reg?
KM

"alice" wrote in message
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On Jan 31, 9:57 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
Personally, I require my students to use
flight following in case they get into the class C by mistake.


How does using flight following absolve you from guilt when you
violate a reg?

When using flight following, you've met the requirement to enter class C (2
way comminucations)

alice wrote:
A 30 day suspension for what?Did he contest this in court?

Some might argue that a 30 day suspension is not worth taking it to
court if you are just a private pilot... Especially since for a lot of
people it is not like it would really prevent them from flying their own
plane anyway... Just like being a bit past their medical or BFR or
annual on their aircraft do not cause some people to ground themselves...

On Feb 1, 7:53 am, "alice" wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:57 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On Jan 31, 4:33 pm, "Dallas" wrote:

A friend of mine got a 30 day suspension and a bad record for 5 years
on his solo cross country. Personally, I require my students to use
flight following in case they get into the class C by mistake.
-Robert

Robert,
A 30 day suspension for what?Did he contest this in court?What
happened to his instructor?

He busted the airspace so there wasn't much to contest. I'm sure if
he'd gone to court and lost the FAA would haved asked for at least 90
days (this is typical, 30 days now or make us go to court and we'll
ask for 90). He did have to report it to his insurance co for
something like 5 years, after that the FAA removed it from his record.

How does using flight following absolve you from guilt when you
violate a reg?

If he has flight following he's not violated any reg.

-robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:

If he has flight following he's not violated any reg.



A gentle reminder that the OP asked about Bravo, not Charlie space.

You certainly can bust Bravo with a flight following. Some controllers
are very good and professional about helping you not bust it. Others
might be too busy, not care, or on that rare occasion, devious, but it's
up to the pilot to make sure clearance is granted.

A student pilot on flight following clipping the edge of Bravo is possible.

B A R R Y writes:

A gentle reminder that the OP asked about Bravo, not Charlie space.

You certainly can bust Bravo with a flight following. Some controllers
are very good and professional about helping you not bust it. Others
might be too busy, not care, or on that rare occasion, devious, but it's
up to the pilot to make sure clearance is granted.

A student pilot on flight following clipping the edge of Bravo is possible.

How does ATC prove that someone has entered Bravo airspace?

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B A R R Y wrote:
You certainly can bust Bravo with a flight following. Some controllers
are very good and professional about helping you not bust it. Others
might be too busy, not care, or on that rare occasion, devious, but it's
up to the pilot to make sure clearance is granted.

On my first cross-country solo, the controller cleared me into the Bravo
without me asking for it. (My home airport is underneath the shelf.)

I didn't actually enter the Bravo, since I was a student at the time, but
this is an example of the controller helping you. :-)

.... Alan
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