Experimental Instrument Rated?

Is it true that an experimental aircraft can not be instrument certified by
the FAA?

David (KORL)

CFLav8r wrote:

Is it true that an experimental aircraft can not be instrument certified by
the FAA?

Many experimental aircraft can be flown under an instrument flight plan when
properly equipped.

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CFLav8r wrote:

Is it true that an experimental aircraft can not be instrument certified by
the FAA?

Many experimental aircraft can be flown under an instrument flight plan when
properly equipped.

New jets undergoing initial certification flights are experimental
aircraft. I assume they operate under IFR.

There was a NOVA a bunch of years back on the development of the 777.
It looked kind of wierd to see an airliner with the same "EXPERIMENTAL"
sticker pasted over the door that would you see on a contraption some
guy built in his garage.

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 03:24:11 GMT, "CFLav8r"
wrote:

Is it true that an experimental aircraft can not be instrument certified by
the FAA?

If it is there are a lot of them out there flying IFR illegally.
(unless I'm missing something in your phrasing)

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com




David (KORL)

Is it true that an experimental aircraft can not be instrument certified
by
the FAA?

If it is there are a lot of them out there flying IFR illegally.
(unless I'm missing something in your phrasing)

My question is about the aircraft not the ability to fly it in IFR
conditions.
I recently showed my instructor an ad for a Glasair and he remarked that
you could never get it IFR certified with the FAA.
That didn't make much sense to me, but then again I am the student and he
is the instructor.
The way I figure it, if it is IFR equipped then why couldn't it be IFR
certified?

David

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 03:24:11 GMT, "CFLav8r"
wrote:

Is it true that an experimental aircraft can not be instrument certified by
the FAA?

David (KORL)


since the australian rules are a transplant of the american an aussie
answer may be valid.

experimental amateur built aircraft are by default signed off for day
vfr.
IFR requirements are another set of regulations.
If the aircraft meets the requirements of those regulations then the
signoff can be amended to incorporate the necessary endorsements for
IFR.

havent seen ifr in person but I have mediated for an experimental
Thorp T18 being endorsed for night vfr in this country. was easy.

Stealth Pilot
Australia

The way I figure it, if it is IFR equipped then why couldn't it be IFR
certified?

I'm a little confused here. I didn't think anything on an experimental aircraft
was 'certified'. If it was then it wouldn't be 'experimental'. Experimentals
are not 'certified' to "fly" but they legally do. I believe the rules read
something like "it can be flown under conditions that it is properly equiped
for" i.e. you can't make a VOR approach if it is not equipped with a VOR
receiver. Something like that.

Jim

"CFLav8r" wrote:
I recently showed my instructor an ad for a Glasair and he
remarked that you could never get it IFR certified with
the FAA.
That didn't make much sense to me, but then again I am
the student and he is the instructor.

Your instructor is F. O. S.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

Yah... as I understand it, experimental certified aircraft can do
everything a normal/utility certified aircraft can do except:

carry people for hire.

Check out the EAA site for more details...

Dave

Dan Luke wrote:
"CFLav8r" wrote:

I recently showed my instructor an ad for a Glasair and he
remarked that you could never get it IFR certified with
the FAA.
That didn't make much sense to me, but then again I am
the student and he is the instructor.


Your instructor is F. O. S.

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 12:42:27 GMT, "CFLav8r"
wrote:

My question is about the aircraft not the ability to fly it in IFR
conditions.
I recently showed my instructor an ad for a Glasair and he remarked that
you could never get it IFR certified with the FAA.

There are a lot of homebuilt aircraft designs that can't pass the CFR Part
23 requirements necessary to receive a type certificate. Typically, a
design does not meet the stability requirements. Hence, a given design
cannot receive an airworthiness certificate in the normal, utility,
aerobatic, or transport categories. It doesn't make them harder to fly,
but their lower stability does make them less-suitable as IFR platforms.

As several other folks have pointed out, there is no such thing as "IFR
Certified"...if any aircraft is equipped in accordance to CFR 91.205(d) and
receives the required regular equipment checks, it can legally be used to
fly IFR. But unless it meets the requirements of CFR Part 23, it cannot
receive anything other than an "Experimental" certification, and certain
restrictions apply in the form of the operating limitations assigned by the
FAA.

There are probably thousands of Experimental aircraft whose operating
limitations specifically permit IFR operations.

Ron Wanttaja