Full before landing checklist in the pattern?

Ron Natalie wrote:

Frankly, we NEVER touched that lever.

Absolutely! In my 150, it never got turned. After 25+ years in one position, I
felt that nothing good could happen by moving it.

George Patterson
If you're not part of the solution, you can make a lot of money prolonging
the problem.

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:36:01 GMT, Newps wrote in
Message-Id: 09zqb.95717$9E1.460682@attbi_s52:



wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:36:14 GMT, Newps wrote:


Skip the seatbelts.


That's probably the only thing on the list required by regulation:

Yeah, that's my point. Who takes them off?

How can the PIC know if passenger(s) have their belts & harnesses
fastened, if s/he doesn't check?

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...


Ron Natalie wrote:

Frankly, we NEVER touched that lever.

Absolutely! In my 150, it never got turned. After 25+ years in one position, I
felt that nothing good could happen by moving it.

Yep, unless the plane is on fire...

In article F9vqb.94384$ao4.279861@attbi_s51,
"Bob Gardner" wrote:

I don't like situational instruction, where one action is required under one
set of circumstances and a different action is required under a different
set of circumstances. Teach one procedure that works all the time.



There AIN'T no such thing! If you have an emergency, you're screwed
with that policy!





"BoDEAN" wrote in message
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How many people do / teach doing a full before landing checklist when
doing pattern work? I do with my students, but other cfi's I work with
use a quick / abbreviated one for our Cessna 172/152

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Steve Robertson wrote:

Seat belts, gas on, mixture, carb heat, land. How can you do any more or
any less in a Cessna 172/152/150? Please enlighten me.

Brakes. (press briefly to check for pressure)

Oh, and Master On, Mags Both. It never hurts to be sure.

The full 152/172 landing checklist, as I've learned it:

Master On
Mags Both
Carb Heat On
Mix Rich
Fuel Switch On (or to Both in the 172)
Brakes
Land...

It's all purely physical now, a flow around the cockpit clockwise from the
Master Switch.

Brian.


Steve Robertson
N4732J 1967 Beechcraft Musketeer Super III
(Seat belts, gas fullest tank, mixture, land for this plane)

BoDEAN wrote:

How many people do / teach doing a full before landing checklist when
doing pattern work? I do with my students, but other cfi's I work with
use a quick / abbreviated one for our Cessna 172/152

"BoDEAN" wrote in message
...
How many people do / teach doing a full before landing checklist when
doing pattern work? I do with my students, but other cfi's I work with
use a quick / abbreviated one for our Cessna 172/152

I do not have my students reading or referring to printed checklists while
in the pattern, however I insist that they use them for specific phases of
flight, for example, Level Off, Cruise, Arrival, Approach, etc. Strangely,
there is a flight school in our area that specializes in light twin training
and they did , and might still, have students referring to a written
checklist on takeoff and climbout, they might also do this while in the
pattern also. Kinda scary to think about. I would much rather have someone
looking out of the window for traffic and keeping a simple, light, workload
while in the pattern. Besides making sure that the lights are on, the
gauges are green, mixture is set properly and that the carb ht. is set what
else is there? No gear, no cowl flaps, no prop setting, no tanks to switch,
no autopilot, no spoilers, no pres/diff, nothing to arm etc. besides the
guys who have these things take care of them when in range and before they
enter the pattern.
Happy Flying R.Wallace

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:40:33 -0500, Steve Robertson
wrote:

Seat belts, gas on, mixture, carb heat, land. How can you do any more or
any less in a Cessna 172/152/150? Please enlighten me.

In the C-172SP I fly I do:

Seat belts
Fuel (shutoff)
Mixture (rich or as needed)
Master (both)
Mags (both)
A quick glance at the engine gauges to ensure that oil pressure (above
all else) is in the green.

aw

oops, forgot to add fuel selector, so...

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:40:33 -0500, Steve Robertson
wrote:

Seat belts, gas on, mixture, carb heat, land. How can you do any more or
any less in a Cessna 172/152/150? Please enlighten me.

In the C-172SP I fly I do:

Seat belts
Fuel (shutoff)
Fuel (both)
Mixture (rich or as needed)
Master (both)
Mags (both)
A quick glance at the engine gauges to ensure that oil pressure (above
all else) is in the green.

aw

Ron Natalie wrote:

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...


Ron Natalie wrote:

Frankly, we NEVER touched that lever.

Absolutely! In my 150, it never got turned. After 25+ years in one position, I
felt that nothing good could happen by moving it.

Yep, unless the plane is on fire...

I turn the fuel valve all the way around on Cessnas before EVERY flight and teach my students to do
the same. It is a very nice thing to know that this valve can be turned BEFORE the plane catches
fire. It is also good to know how much force it takes. Of course when fueling Cessnas, it is best to
have this handle in anything but BOTH because some fuel will cross feed faster than you can climb down
the latter and scurry to the other side.

I teach this on Pipers too. I have had many a student that couldn't turn the Cherokee fuel selector
to OFF because he/she couldn't figure out the detent without some coaching. That's not a learning
process you have time for in a real emergency when the fuel needs to be shut off now.....

Abbreviated checks means abbreviated life!

Pre-landing checks and any other vital checks should be used each &
every time - ALWAYS. Commit them to memory & practice, practice and
re-practice them until they become second nature - (you don't even need
an plane to practice). Then use the checklist as just that - a
checklist and not a challenge & response list:

Brakes - off/pressure checked
Undercarriage - down/transiting
Mixture - rich
Fuel - fulest tank selected/pump on/contents & pressure checked
Engine Ts & P's - green sector
Mags - both
Doors - closed & locked
Harnesses/Seatbelts - secure

On short-final:

Props - full fine
Undercarriage - down & confirm three greens
Flaps - set as required
Carb heat - hot
Clearance - cleared to land/runway clear

If you can fly an aircraft, you can commit a simple pre-landing
checklist to memory and carry out each action as second nature - it
WILL save your life one day. Don't mess with abbreviations!

MQD


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