circumnavigating Chicago Class B

"Travis Marlatte" wrote:

Most people transition the lakeshore at 2000. Personally, I do it at 2200 or
1800.

Is this option something you'd consider for a Cub or Champ
cruising at 70 mph with a battery operated radio and no
XPDR? If heading from the east coast (Mass) to Oshkosh in
such an old timer how would you go? I doubt I can get over
the top. Around the west side of Chicago or up through
Canada are pretty far at such a slow speed, and 50 miles
over water on the direct route is not something I'm anxious
to try.

In 20+ years of going to OSH from OH, I have only gone over the top
once. All but one other time have been along the lakeshore. The other
exception was around the west side in 1985 in a Champ. That was to stop
for lunch and fuel at Clow.

Bob wrote:
"Travis Marlatte" wrote:


Most people transition the lakeshore at 2000. Personally, I do it at 2200 or
1800.


Is this option something you'd consider for a Cub or Champ
cruising at 70 mph with a battery operated radio and no
XPDR? If heading from the east coast (Mass) to Oshkosh in
such an old timer how would you go? I doubt I can get over
the top. Around the west side of Chicago or up through
Canada are pretty far at such a slow speed, and 50 miles
over water on the direct route is not something I'm anxious
to try.

I have flown the low altitude route as well as over the top VFR and much
prefer the high altitude. If you have an engine problem you have a lot more
options, and traffic is a lot more visible up high.

Don't forget that all of the heavy iron has TCAS and will see you on the
screen well before you see them.

No radio? No problem. No XPDR? Oops. You'd have to be pretty far out over
Lake Michigan to be outside the ORD class B 30nm mode C veil. So, that
depends on your definition of risk. Do you mind being 15 miles offshore with
no floats and a battery operated radio that might not transmit to shore and
no XPDR so that they could track your splash?

That's too much risk for me. I'd stick to the farm fields south and west of
the class B veil.

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Travis
"Bob" wrote in message
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"Travis Marlatte" wrote:

Most people transition the lakeshore at 2000. Personally, I do it at 2200
or
1800.

Is this option something you'd consider for a Cub or Champ
cruising at 70 mph with a battery operated radio and no
XPDR? If heading from the east coast (Mass) to Oshkosh in
such an old timer how would you go? I doubt I can get over
the top. Around the west side of Chicago or up through
Canada are pretty far at such a slow speed, and 50 miles
over water on the direct route is not something I'm anxious
to try.

"Travis Marlatte" wrote in message
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No radio? No problem. No XPDR? Oops. You'd have to be pretty far out over
Lake Michigan to be outside the ORD class B 30nm mode C veil. So, that
depends on your definition of risk. Do you mind being 15 miles offshore
with
no floats and a battery operated radio that might not transmit to shore
and
no XPDR so that they could track your splash?

That's too much risk for me. I'd stick to the farm fields south and west
of
the class B veil.


Most Cubs and Champs were built without electrical systems and thus are
exempt from the transponder requirements of the Mode C veil.

Yep! I can fly right up to the inner-most cylinder, below 1200' AGL.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Most Cubs and Champs were built without electrical systems and thus are
exempt from the transponder requirements of the Mode C veil.

Travis Marlatte wrote:

No radio? No problem. No XPDR? Oops. You'd have to be pretty far out over
Lake Michigan to be outside the ORD class B 30nm mode C veil.

He said a Cub or a Champ; that is, an aircraft that was built with no electrical
system. He can fly such an aircraft within the veil as long as he stays out of the
class-B itself.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

Oops. Sorry. I guess I should have assumed that from the "battery operated
radio" phrase.

Then it's a phone call to get permission, right?

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Travis
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Travis Marlatte" wrote in message
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No radio? No problem. No XPDR? Oops. You'd have to be pretty far out
over
Lake Michigan to be outside the ORD class B 30nm mode C veil. So, that
depends on your definition of risk. Do you mind being 15 miles offshore
with
no floats and a battery operated radio that might not transmit to shore
and
no XPDR so that they could track your splash?

That's too much risk for me. I'd stick to the farm fields south and west
of
the class B veil.


Most Cubs and Champs were built without electrical systems and thus are
exempt from the transponder requirements of the Mode C veil.

"Travis Marlatte" wrote in message
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Oops. Sorry. I guess I should have assumed that from the "battery operated
radio" phrase.

Then it's a phone call to get permission, right?

Only to operate within the Class B itself. Which is not what they are
suggesting.

"Travis Marlatte" wrote in message
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Oops. Sorry. I guess I should have assumed that from the "battery operated
radio" phrase.

Then it's a phone call to get permission, right?


No. No permission is required for VFR flight in the Mode C veil.