Flying under Class B

OtisWinslow wrote:

I haven't flown around NY. I have dealt with Tampa and Miami .. both of
whom were helpful.

I fly around NY, and have found the controllers typically quite helpful to
VFR traffic. In fact, I once surprised a VFR-only pilot in our club with
how helpful they are. We were departing Caldwell for the NJ shore in an
aircraft w/o a GPS (it has since been upgraded, of course {8^). His plan
was to fly around the class B to the west. I suggested "through", which
surprised him a little.

But a quick request to TRACON got us not only entry, but a vector to Colts
Neck (which we couldn't receive at our current position/altitude).

As I said, they're very helpful.

There have been a few exceptions, but these were all (as far as I can
recall) recognizably high-workload situations for them.

But this raises a question about which I keep forgetting. I was once IFRing
into Linden - an uncontrolled airport right next to Newark - in VMC. ATC
wanted me to cancel as early as possible of course, and I was perfectly
willing to do so. I just wanted to be below the class B first, but - at
least where I was - the floor was below ATC's MVA. So I cancelled, but I
felt a little odd being in class B having never received explicit clearance
into it.

Silly of me?

- Andrew

But this raises a question about which I keep forgetting. I was once IFRing
into Linden - an uncontrolled airport right next to Newark - in VMC. ATC
wanted me to cancel as early as possible of course, and I was perfectly
willing to do so. I just wanted to be below the class B first, but - at
least where I was - the floor was below ATC's MVA. So I cancelled, but I
felt a little odd being in class B having never received explicit clearance
into it.

Silly of me?

You were on a clearance when you entered Class B. That would be good enough for me.

Andrew Gideon wrote:

But a quick request to TRACON got us not only entry, but a vector to Colts
Neck (which we couldn't receive at our current position/altitude).

As I said, they're very helpful.

That's different. The original poster was suggesting that you request traffic
advisories while under the class-B floor. In my experience, you won't get VFR traffic
advisories from NY ATC.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

The original poster was suggesting that you request traffic
advisories while under the class-B floor. In my experience, you won't get VFR
traffic
advisories from NY ATC


Under the NYC class B you should be on the helicopter frequencies (printed on
the charts).

Jose

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On 02 Oct 2004 03:11:45 GMT, (Teacherjh)
wrote:

Under the NYC class B you should be on the helicopter frequencies (printed on
the charts).


Where on the Sectional are they? I don't see any.

z

Teacherjh ) wrote:


The original poster was suggesting that you request traffic
advisories while under the class-B floor. In my experience, you won't get VFR
traffic
advisories from NY ATC


Under the NYC class B you should be on the helicopter frequencies (printed on
the charts).

Are you referring to the frequencies posted on the NY terminal chart for
the two VFR corridors? I don't believe those discreet frequencies are
used outside the corridors.


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Peter

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
That's different. The original poster was suggesting that you request traffic
advisories while under the class-B floor. In my experience, you won't get VFR
traffic advisories from NY ATC.

Not in my experience. Sure, if it's busy they may not be able, but most
of the time advisories are no problem.

The original poster was suggesting that you request traffic
advisories while under the class-B floor.

I've flown under the NYC Class B floor along the beach several times, You can
tal to Kennedy tower but they've never done more than acknowlege the call.

One day I started thinking about the wake turbulence of the Airbuses & 747"s
passing 500' above me as they land on 33L&R & haven't flown below the floor
since.
It's just too easy to get clearance through the Class B


John

The original poster was suggesting that you request traffic
advisories while under the class-B floor. In my experience, you won't get VFR
traffic
advisories from NY ATC


Under the NYC class B you should be on the helicopter frequencies (printed on
the charts).

Are you referring to the frequencies posted on the NY terminal chart for
the two VFR corridors? I don't believe those discreet frequencies are
used outside the corridors.


Yes, I was referring to those frequencies, and (erroniously) assumed he was
talking about the corridors.

Under the floor but not in the corridors (under the shelf, essentially) I've
gotten advisories from NY ATC.

Jose

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Roy Smith wrote:

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
That's different. The original poster was suggesting that you request
traffic advisories while under the class-B floor. In my experience, you
won't get VFR traffic advisories from NY ATC.

Not in my experience. Sure, if it's busy they may not be able, but most
of the time advisories are no problem.

I've never tried to get advisories from TRACON while under the class B.
I've no idea what RADAR coverage they have there, in fact. If I'm going to
be talking to someone anyway, why not get clearance through?

Oh, well, this isn't quite true. Plenty of times I've contacted TRACON
while under the class B after departing CDW, but I've always requested
class B as well as advisories. On the rare case where I couldn't climb
immediately, I've still usually received the flight following.

There have been odd cases where I've not been able to get advisories outside
of the class B, but they've been few and - at least as far as I can recall
- all situations where the issue was workload. Usually, I'm told to call
back in a few minutes.

FWIW, I've also done the "Parkway Transition" at 1000, but this involves
talking to Newark Tower. They had me wait once, but have never said "no".

So my experience with NY TRACON has been that they're usually quite willing
to provide VFR advisories.

- Andrew