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![]() "Rob Arndt" wrote in message oups.com... Germany had a wide range of proximity fuses under development and/or testing in the last year of the war: Code Names & Descriptions: BAD, Acoustic, under Graf Zeppelin Institute ELKU (Elektro-Akoustic), and applied to PAPLITZ FUCHS, Radio by AEG Berlin, intended for Hs-117, Hs-298, and other missiles ISEGRIMM, Electromagnetic by Orlich Institute of Danzig. KAKADU, Radio by Donaulandische GmbH of Vienna. 3,000 were produced for the Hs-293- used Doppler effect. KRANICH, Acoustic by Ruhrstahl AG of Brackwerde. Highly rated German proximity fuse. KUGELBLITZ, Radio by Patent Verwertungs Gesellschaft of Salzvurg. Developed for the Rhinetocktor missile. Used Doppler-shift effect. KUHGLOCKE, Electrostatic by Rhinemetall-Borsig. Intended for missiles. Prototypes only. KUHGLOCKEN, Smaller version designed for AA shells. LOTTE, Infrared for an unspecified missile- abandoned. MARABU, Radio by Siemens-Halske under sub-contract of Rheinmetall AG. Designed for the Hs-117, Hs-298, Rheintocktor and Wasserfall missiles. Firing trials. MARDER, Radio by Orlich Institute of Danzig. MEISE, Acoustic by Neumann & Borm of Berlin. PAPLITZ, Infrared by Elektro Akoustic Institute at Namslau then at Kiel. A.K.A. "ELKU". Developed for Hs-117 and Wasserfall. Test firings. PINSCHER, Radio by Orlich Institute of Danzig. Five prototypes. PISTOLE, Photo-Electric, this project was incorporated into WASSERMAUS. ROULETTE, Infrared by Brickmann of Gera. STIMMGABEL, Acoustic by the Graf Zeppelin Institute. Developed for parachute-retarded bomb dropped over Allied bomber streams. Tested. TRICHTER, Radio by Blaupunkt. Field tested. WASSERMAUS, Photo-Electric, developed for the Wasserfall missile. WIESEL, Radio by Orlich Institute of Danzig. ZUNDER-19, Developed for 250kg bomb by Rheinmetall-Borsig. Started 1937. Cancelled 1943. Work continued into 1944. Rob The very length of that list goes a long way to explaining why Germany never got a working fuze into production. The Western allies thought 2 development projects (one British , the other American) would have been extravagantly wasteful. Keith |
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![]() "Rob Arndt" wrote in message ups.com... The rare Windsor bomber: http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircra...%20windsor.jpg Rob Was not a Wellington Keith |
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"GRAHAM WALKER" wrote in message
... British Scientific Developments - A British scientific mission carries to the United States details of many important developments. Amongst these is the recently invented cavity magnetron, vital for short wavelength radar and the eventual defeat of conventional U-boats. Also for the close-proximity fuse which becomes so important in the 1945 battles with Japanese Kamikaze aircraft I seem to recall hearing that an RAF officer developed a laboratory prototype jet engine in the 1937-38 timeframe. I wonder why that information was not mentioned in the British scientific mission to the United States. The U.S. had more engineering and manfacturing resources free at that time than did Britain. I know that the U.S. developed its own jet engine that reached the flight test stage towards the end of WW2, but it seems like if this prototype jet engine had been made available to U.S. engineers and manufacturers, it could have allowed the U.S. to develop a working jet engine much faster and maybe even introduce it into operational service before the end of WW2. J |
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Andrew Breen brought up the Windsor and I provided a photo of it. Yes, it is not a Wellington... but they are both of geodetic construction and I was posting for those that might not have ever seen a Windsor or knew it existed. Maybe you should read the posts before saying something since Barnes Wallis is connected here. Rob |
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![]() "Joe Delphi" wrote in message .net... "GRAHAM WALKER" wrote in message ... British Scientific Developments - A British scientific mission carries to the United States details of many important developments. Amongst these is the recently invented cavity magnetron, vital for short wavelength radar and the eventual defeat of conventional U-boats. Also for the close-proximity fuse which becomes so important in the 1945 battles with Japanese Kamikaze aircraft I seem to recall hearing that an RAF officer developed a laboratory prototype jet engine in the 1937-38 timeframe. I wonder why that information was not mentioned in the British scientific mission to the United States. The U.S. had more engineering and manfacturing resources free at that time than did Britain. It was I know that the U.S. developed its own jet engine that reached the flight test stage towards the end of WW2, but it seems like if this prototype jet engine had been made available to U.S. engineers and manufacturers, it could have allowed the U.S. to develop a working jet engine much faster and maybe even introduce it into operational service before the end of WW2. Like the GE I-A engine , based on Whittle's designs that first ran on April 18, 1942 perhaps. Keith |
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![]() "Rob Arndt" wrote in message ups.com... Keith, Andrew Breen brought up the Windsor and I provided a photo of it. Yes, it is not a Wellington... but they are both of geodetic construction and I was posting for those that might not have ever seen a Windsor or knew it existed. Then you should have made that clear Maybe you should read the posts before saying something since Barnes Wallis is connected here. Maybe you should do more than posting links to pictures Keith |
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![]() wrote: Eunometic wrote: References are "Truth About the Wunderwaffen" by Igor Witowski who cites "Proximity Fuse Development - Rheinmettal Borsig A.G. Mullhausen. CIOS report ITEM nos 3 file nos XXVI -1 (1945) Capacitance based fuses became highly developed after the second world war due to their high resistance against jamming techniques. It is unlikely that the shell could have been easily degraded by jamming or chaff. (unlike the Allied shell). What would have happened if the proximity fuse was not abandoned in 1940 but development continued such that it entered service in 1943? SNIP The Allies would have developed specific ways of jamming the fuse - nothing is unvulnerable. Some things are so difficult they are not realistically viable. Laser, Photoelectric and Capacitative proximity fuses are simply very difficult to jam or deceive. The Allied VT was based on RF (radio frequency) methods) and it was shown to be vulnerable to predetonation becuase it was easy to get RF energy into the detection circuity using a mechnically swept oscilator. Capacitence based fuses use much lower frequencies that are effectively DC. They more or less rely on detecting changes in 'fields'. It is very hard to radiate interfering energy into the circuity while it is easier to introduce changes to avoid deception. Getting sufficient range is more of a struggle with these fuses. Fuze jamming doesn't seem to be regarded as a very viable method today excepting the most primitive of munitions. |
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The German proximity fuse.
The development of the US proximity fuse by the US in WW Two is regarded as a unique allied triumph. Little known however is that the Germans independently developed and successfully test fired almost 1000 rounds of a similar proximity fuse near the wars end that if introduced into service would have had a dramatic effect. The allies estimated that the availability of the proximity fuse would force them to abandon use of the B-24 Liberator due to its lower flying altitude compared to the B-17. The B-24 made up around 1/3 of the 8th Air Force and 2/3 of the 15th Air force, all up just under half the USAAF bombers. The main deployment of B-24s to Europe was in 1944. It was a USAAF estimate, flak losses would triple, bombing heights would have to increase and the B-24 not used against well defended targets. When the German flak concentration around the main synthetic oil plants became so great the USAAF started to use cloudy days, relying on radar aids, assuming the loss of accuracy for the gunners was greater than that of the bombers. Not flak losses were never above the critical loss rates, but would have approached it if they were tripled. It took fighters to really cut up a bomber formation. The Allied Proximity fuse was used on both Anti-Aircraft Artillery and anti-personnel howitzers where they were set to explode approximately 50 feet above the ground. At that height they would produce a lethal zone over a terrifyingly wide area. When used against aircraft it seemed to increase effectiveness of a round by 3-7 or more. So the 16,000 88mm shells per shoot down fired would be reduced to 2,300 to 5,300. The Germans did better early in the war in terms of shells per aircraft but this was the sort of price paid for using effectively reserve manpower in the flak units alongside less accurate fire control systems. The proximity fuse effects can be replicated by wires on the bomb noses and by having trees in the combat area. If the shell or bomb hits the tree the results are an airburst. You can also have time fuses for shells. Of course none as accurate as a proximity fuse for bursts at the optimum height. The proximity fuse was fielded as an AA weapon from ships in the Pacific from June 1943 where it was reasoned that secrecy could not be compromised as dud rounds would fall into the sea. (I have no knowledge of its use against the Japanese Troops on islands). It on one occasion apparently helped shoot down 90 of 120 attacking Japanese planes. As has been stated the last time this information was posted, The claim ignores the USS Helena firing proximity fused shells off Guadalcanal in January 1943. Fuse production was 500 per day in October 1942. Note by the end of 1944 the delivery rate was 40,000 per day, or in other words just over half an hour to equal the entire claimed German production. The other point was to design a shell to take the fuse, the allies started with the USN 5 inch gun. It should be noted the claimed major shoot down was the USN ships reporting what they thought they had shot down. In the fights with Kamikazes the USN ships reported they needed to fire 100% VT (proximity) fuses, since there was normally no time to set and use time fuses. It was first supplied to Britain to help overcome the V1 cruise missile fired at London where it in combination with radar and computer directed guns reduced the mean number of rounds expended to destroy a V1 from 4000 to 180. The note being it was a combination of better fire control and fuses. Finally there are records of it used against German troops during the Ardennes Offensive (Battle of Bulge). It was reasoned that the Germans would not be able to reconstruct the fuses in time to make use of them. In fact the 'folklore' on the Internet is that they captured some 20,000 but did not recognize them and also that they recovered duds and reasoned that they were triggered by the Earth's magnetic Field. (Note the magnet field theory probably came from the troops themselves before being analysed by more technical branches of the German forces) Ah so the folk lore is they captured a US ammunition dump with the fused shells and then inventoried the catch, as opposed to destroying it? By the way the troops would not be checking the fusing of any dud rounds, but removing the shells to a safer place. The experts would be looking at things like fuses. The allied fuse workings. Technically the Allied fuse was not radar: it did not send out a pulse and listen for an echo. It had 4 tubes. One tube was part of the oscillator. When a 'target' that was about a ½ wavelength in size came within a few wavelengths it would load the amplifier and the anode current would increase. Two additional amplifiers would detect this change and then triggered the 4th valve (a gas filled thyraton) to set of the detonator. Contrary to other reports it apparently did not trigger on Doppler shift either or on frequency change. There were many shock hardening techniques including planar electrodes and packing the components in wax and oil to equalize the stresses. Given we are talking about wavelengths in the order of centimetres the axis mist have been flying very small aircraft if they were around a half wavelength in size. Try this for an explanation, "One method that was experimented with used radio waves transmitted from the ground. These radio waves would be reflected by the target and received by the fuze. Once the radio waves were at a sufficient level, the fuze would activate causing the shell to explode. Another method that was more logical and became the accepted means, was to develop a fuze which was capable of obtaining its own intelligence and of using it to ignite the shell. When assembled this fuze consisted of four major parts: A miniature radio transceiver, complete with amplifier and capacitor; a battery; an explosive train; and the necessary safety devices. The theory was that the fuze transmitter, alone, would not produce sufficient signal intensity, to trigger a thyratron tube switch. However, as the projectile approached a target the radio waves reflected by the target would gradually increase and come more and more into phase with the fuze-generated signal. Once the signal level was high enough, the fuze would know that the shell could do a maximum amount of damage, and the thyratron tube switch would be triggered releasing the energy in a charged capacitor and thus igniting the shell." The German fuse workings. The fuse was based on electrostatic principles. At least this hopefully stops the previous claims the Germans handed the design to the British who then used it. The circuitry of the German fuse is not precisely known to me as I do not have the schematics however the details are in allied files refred to I do not have a circuit layout drawing. It is known that the nose of the shell was electrically insulated and isolated from the rest of the shell. It was built by the company Rheinmetall. The program was halted in 1940 then restarted in early 1944 and then terminated again due to being over run by the allies at the point that it was ready for production. The above assumes the program was producing fused shells in 1940 as opposed to heading towards the idea. After all if the restart was in early 1944 and the production facilities were over run something like 15 months later just as production was about to start it shows how long things actually took. How long the Germans really were from production. The US started work on the fuse in July 1940 and later developed optical and magnetic proximity fuses for mines and 4.5 inch rockets. Initial fuse testing demonstrated a sensitivity of 1-2 meters and a reliability of 80% when fired against a metal cable target. A circuit adjustment yielded an increase to 3-4 meters and a reliability of close to 95%. Further work showed a 10-15 meter sensitivity. This was with 88mm canon shells. The shell to all intents and purposes ready for production. Again no dates are given, presumably we are to believe it was ready for production in 1940, but then shut down because it was not ready for production within 6 months, see below, and the time it actually took in 1944/45 above. There were considerable strides made during the war when it came to reliability and miniaturisation of radio parts, the later war experiments would have benefited from this. Note the lethal burst radius for a standard 88mm shell was around 30 feet, or 9 metres. Given the standard fire control radar some 59,000 88 mm shells were needed to cover the volume the aircraft could be in when flying at 24,000 feet. References are "Truth About the Wunderwaffen" by Igor Witowski who cites "Proximity Fuse Development - Rheinmettal Borsig A.G. Mullhausen. CIOS report ITEM nos 3 file nos XXVI -1 (1945) Capacitance based fuses became highly developed after the second world war due to their high resistance against jamming techniques. Ah, so the plan is to stop claiming the Germans gave the fuse to the allies but to claim they thought of it first and did it better. It is unlikely that the shell could have been easily degraded by jamming or chaff. (unlike the Allied shell). Yes, claim it does things better. Just ignore the idea the whole idea of window was to mimic a bomber, and all that has to be done now is to explain how the shell would discriminate against aluminium in falling foils and in aircraft flying along. I can speculate as to several ways that this might work. It is referred to as a "influenz zunder" based in electrostatic principles. Method 1: Bridge Cicuit. The shells external capacitance is made part of a bridge circuite with an internal reference capacitor in the other arm. Any disturbance caused by an large object such as an aircraft would cause a current to flow across the bridge that would be amplified. main problem, surviving the firing accelerations. Method 2: QT or charge transfer methods. A high speed vibrating contact charges the shell and then discharges it into a known capacitance which is then measured. Should be fun to create the mechanism to allow a high speed vibrating contact, have it survive the acceleration of the firing and then spin up to arm the shell Method 3: making the shell body part of a resonant circuit and detecting frequency changes. Should be fun lugging the fused shells around metal guns. I can not find the precise reason for the abandonment of the work in 1940 however it probably relates to the 'fuhrer befehle' or fuhrer directive that with few exceptions all work that could not be put into production within 6 months were to be terminated to increase resources for those that could (in order to support operation Barborosa). So in other words in 1940 the fuse was not ready for production. It was at this time that the Germans also abandoned their magnetron and microwave development teams and programs. Many programs suffered severely due to this; something that was to have far reaching consequences for the German war effort. It would be better to say scaled back as opposed to abandoned. What would have happened if the proximity fuse was not abandoned in 1940 but development continued such that it entered service in 1943? The USAAF would have flown more night missions and deployed B-29s to Europe. The allies would have devoted more to flak suppression. The allies would have flown more missions on cloudy days using the better navigation aids in 1944. Note the half way point for Bomber Command for bombs on Germany was in late September 1944, the 8th was mid November 1944. It was a very end loaded campaign. The number of flak batteries out ran the German ability to provide them with proper fire control systems. Hence there were still sound locators in use in 1944 to use an extreme example. The idea of massed batteries was also driven by the amount of fire control systems needed. Before the RAF introduced window Bomber Command was recording that around 6 to 9% of returning aircraft on night missions had flak damage, March to July 1943. This dropped to 2.85% in August and averaged 2.3% for all of 1944 and 1.4% for 1945. Window remained effective against the fire control radars for the remainder of the war. The average for aircraft returning damaged by flak on night raids February to December 1942 was 6.5%, for all of 1943 5.8%. In effect a proximity fuse at around 3 to 7 times the lethality would restore to exceed the pre window hit rates. The USAAF carried window and active jammers but, of course, by day the gunners could correct their aim by eye. Some batteries even had the ability to track the H2X radars of USAAF pathfinders and use this for ranging, electronic warfare was a 2 way street. Geoffrey Sinclair Remove the nb for email. |
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You'll find that there were at least two other allied photoelectric
based fuses. The first one entered service on rockets (it couldn't handle the shock of a gun launch) but its photocells found application in the punched paper tape reader of the colossus machine used in decrypting Enigma. The second system could withstand a cannon lauch and entered service. It used a torrodial perspex lens around the circumference or rim of the shell that focused on a photocell. To be fair most of these German fuses were for different purposes than cannon shell launch. Missiles need more sophisticated and jam resistent radio proximity fuses. In addition the Germans were clearly hedging their bets by developing a spread of systems to reduce their exposure to Allied Jamming attempts. The German were big investors in both passive and active infrared technology and this was begining to pay of in 1945. In part the plethora of projects represents the secrecy compartmentalisation, as well as intersevice rivalries but also a policy of phased development was in place so that the Germans could catch up and stay ahead in areas such as radar. In reality relying on one proximity fuze type is a recipe for disaster. The allies relied on secrecy and then the hope that the Germans couldn't react in time. The Wasserfall and Enzian Surface to Air missiles for instance had a spread of guidence and proximity fuze systems under development. Wasserfall had a 3 axis gyroscopic version of the two axis gyroscopic guidence system in the V2 including apparently the PIGA accelerometer. Even without external guidence it would have placed itself within a few hundred meters of its target. There an infrared terminal homing system was to be used (Madrid), or alternatively command guidence using a radar called "Mannheim" (80 of these track-lock entered service) or visual command guidence. There was also a semi active guidence system under development called "Moritz". The command link was based on a specially developed version of the "Khel/Strassbourg" system used on Fritiz-X and Hs 293 but also on a purpose built system called "Kogge/Brigge" The smaller Ruhrstahl X-4 wire guided Air to Air missile opperated with basic wire guidence and a contact fuse backed up accoustic proximity fuse called "Kranich". A accoustic terminal homing system "Dogge" was also under development as was an infrared terminal homing system and proxitmity fuse. The same systems were planed for the Enzian missile including an accoustic homing head called "Archimedes" The accoustic homing systems worked quite well. A Me 262 Jet equiped with accoustic homing systems could detect a bomber and its directions to about 4-5 miles range. There were 5 quite effective surface to air missiles bodies were developed: Wasserfall, Enzian, Hs-117, Rheintochter R1.and R3 but non received the focus they needed to enter service. To one degree or another they suffered manpower shortages or sabotage. |
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![]() Geoffrey Sinclair wrote: The German proximity fuse. The development of the US proximity fuse by the US in WW Two is regarded as a unique allied triumph. Little known however is that the Germans independently developed and successfully test fired almost 1000 rounds of a similar proximity fuse near the wars end that if introduced into service would have had a dramatic effect. The allies estimated that the availability of the proximity fuse would force them to abandon use of the B-24 Liberator due to its lower flying altitude compared to the B-17. The B-24 made up around 1/3 of the 8th Air Force and 2/3 of the 15th Air force, all up just under half the USAAF bombers. The main deployment of B-24s to Europe was in 1944. It was a USAAF estimate, flak losses would triple, bombing heights would have to increase and the B-24 not used against well defended targets. When the German flak concentration around the main synthetic oil plants became so great the USAAF started to use cloudy days, relying on radar aids, assuming the loss of accuracy for the gunners was greater than that of the bombers. Not flak losses were never above the critical loss rates, but would have approached it if they were tripled. It took fighters to really cut up a bomber formation. What were the critical levels? 10% losses would mean a 65% loss after only 10 missions. 3% sounds sustainable. The Allied Proximity fuse was used on both Anti-Aircraft Artillery and anti-personnel howitzers where they were set to explode approximately 50 feet above the ground. At that height they would produce a lethal zone over a terrifyingly wide area. When used against aircraft it seemed to increase effectiveness of a round by 3-7 or more. So the 16,000 88mm shells per shoot down fired would be reduced to 2,300 to 5,300. The Germans did better early in the war in terms of shells per aircraft but this was the sort of price paid for using effectively reserve manpower in the flak units alongside less accurate fire control systems. I suspect that the use of the proximity fuse would place pressure on increasing accuracy. I suspect that barrels were not renewed as often as was optimal. The 128mm FLAK gun had a fuse setter installed on the barrel to allow the fuse time to be set while the round was in the barrel. It is my understanding that most 88 guns had an external fuse setting device that was a box next to the barrel. So the FLAK crew (9 men or children) would neet to maintain a rhythm of following the dials and pointing the gun, inseting the round in the fuse setter removing it inserting the round in the barrel etc. Putting servo drives on the gun and in barrel fuse setters would I suspect also have increased accuracy. The problem is that there isn't enough skilled labour to build, calibrate,maintain this equipement. The proximity fuse effects can be replicated by wires on the bomb noses and by having trees in the combat area. If the shell or bomb hits the tree the results are an airburst. You can also have time fuses for shells. Of course none as accurate as a proximity fuse for bursts at the optimum height. The proximity fuse was fielded as an AA weapon from ships in the Pacific from June 1943 where it was reasoned that secrecy could not be compromised as dud rounds would fall into the sea. (I have no knowledge of its use against the Japanese Troops on islands). It on one occasion apparently helped shoot down 90 of 120 attacking Japanese planes. As has been stated the last time this information was posted, The claim ignores the USS Helena firing proximity fused shells off Guadalcanal in January 1943. Fuse production was 500 per day in October 1942. Note by the end of 1944 the delivery rate was 40,000 per day, or in other words just over half an hour to equal the entire claimed German production. The other point was to design a shell to take the fuse, the allies started with the USN 5 inch gun. It should be noted the claimed major shoot down was the USN ships reporting what they thought they had shot down. In the fights with Kamikazes the USN ships reported they needed to fire 100% VT (proximity) fuses, since there was normally no time to set and use time fuses. It was first supplied to Britain to help overcome the V1 cruise missile fired at London where it in combination with radar and computer directed guns reduced the mean number of rounds expended to destroy a V1 from 4000 to 180. The note being it was a combination of better fire control and fuses. It would appear that the 20:1 reduction came 3:1 from VT fuses and 7:1 from servo driven and computer aimed radar slaved guns. Or perhaps the other way around. I suspect optically directed servo driven computer aimed guns could have been as effective on a clear day. Finally there are records of it used against German troops during the Ardennes Offensive (Battle of Bulge). It was reasoned that the Germans would not be able to reconstruct the fuses in time to make use of them. In fact the 'folklore' on the Internet is that they captured some 20,000 but did not recognize them and also that they recovered duds and reasoned that they were triggered by the Earth's magnetic Field. (Note the magnet field theory probably came from the troops themselves before being analysed by more technical branches of the German forces) Ah so the folk lore is they captured a US ammunition dump with the fused shells and then inventoried the catch, as opposed to destroying it? I don't know what the custom would have been. It is said they didn't recongise the nature of the shells. However they did recover dud shells (they must have known there was something unique about them) and surmised that they had a electronic fuse. By the way the troops would not be checking the fusing of any dud rounds, but removing the shells to a safer place. The experts would be looking at things like fuses. The allied fuse workings. Technically the Allied fuse was not radar: it did not send out a pulse and listen for an echo. It had 4 tubes. One tube was part of the oscillator. When a 'target' that was about a =BD wavelength in size came within a few wavelengths it would load the amplifier and the anode current would increase. Two additional amplifiers would detect this change and then triggered the 4th valve (a gas filled thyraton) to set of the detonator. Contrary to other reports it apparently did not trigger on Doppler shift either or on frequency change. There were many shock hardening techniques including planar electrodes and packing the components in wax and oil to equalize the stresses. Given we are talking about wavelengths in the order of centimetres the axis mist have been flying very small aircraft if they were around a half wavelength in size. VT fuse opperated at about 220-280Mhz or so. A wavelenght would have been about 1.5 meters. Targets would need to be 1/4 to 1/2 a wavelenght to produce a stronger return. Try this for an explanation, "One method that was experimented with used radio waves transmitted from the ground. These radio waves would be reflected by the target and received by the fuze. Once the radio waves were at a sufficient level, the fuze would activate causing the shell to explode. Another method that was more logical and became the accepted means, was to develop a fuze which was capable of obtaining its own intelligence and of using it to ignite the shell. When assembled this fuze consisted of four major parts: A miniature radio transceiver, complete with amplifier and capacitor; a battery; an explosive train; and the necessary safety devices. The theory was that the fuze transmitter, alone, would not produce sufficient signal intensity, to trigger a thyratron tube switch. However, as the projectile approached a target the radio waves reflected by the target would gradually increase and come more and more into phase with the fuze-generated signal. Once the signal level was high enough, the fuze would know that the shell could do a maximum amount of damage, and the thyratron tube switch would be triggered releasing the energy in a charged capacitor and thus igniting the shell." The German fuse workings. The fuse was based on electrostatic principles. At least this hopefully stops the previous claims the Germans handed the design to the British who then used it. I never suggested that the Allies or British coppied the German fuse,I suggested that it accelerated the allied work. Early German investigations seem to go back to 1935. There is British work going to 1937 and I suspect 1934 for optical fuses. The circuitry of the German fuse is not precisely known to me as I do not have the schematics however the details are in allied files refred to I do not have a circuit layout drawing. It is known that the nose of the shell was electrically insulated and isolated from the rest of the shell. It was built by the company Rheinmetall. The program was halted in 1940 then restarted in early 1944 and then terminated again due to being over run by the allies at the point that it was ready for production. The above assumes the program was producing fused shells in 1940 as opposed to heading towards the idea. After all if the restart was in early 1944 and the production facilities were over run something like 15 months later just as production was about to start it shows how long things actually took. How long the Germans really were from production. In actualy fact the 1000 test firings were conducted in 1944. There may have been firings in 1940 before cancellation but they were almost certainly not succesfull. The US started work on the fuse in July 1940 and later developed optical and magnetic proximity fuses for mines and 4.5 inch rockets. Initial fuse testing demonstrated a sensitivity of 1-2 meters and a reliability of 80% when fired against a metal cable target. A circuit adjustment yielded an increase to 3-4 meters and a reliability of close to 95%. Further work showed a 10-15 meter sensitivity. This was with 88mm canon shells. The shell to all intents and purposes ready for production. Again no dates are given, presumably we are to believe it was ready for production in 1940, but then shut down because it was not ready for production within 6 months, see below, and the time it actually took in 1944/45 above. No, I believe there were NO test firings in 1940 that were succesfull. There were considerable strides made during the war when it came to reliability and miniaturisation of radio parts, the later war experiments would have benefited from this. There are some notes kicking around somewhere on german techniques for valve seals in ceramic amplifier tubes. I believe they produced quite small ceramic valves, Note the lethal burst radius for a standard 88mm shell was around 30 feet, or 9 metres. Given the standard fire control radar some 59,000 88 mm shells were needed to cover the volume the aircraft could be in when flying at 24,000 feet. References are "Truth About the Wunderwaffen" by Igor Witowski who cites "Proximity Fuse Development - Rheinmettal Borsig A.G. Mullhausen. CIOS report ITEM nos 3 file nos XXVI -1 (1945) Capacitance based fuses became highly developed after the second world war due to their high resistance against jamming techniques. Ah, so the plan is to stop claiming the Germans gave the fuse to the allies but to claim they thought of it first and did it better. Electrostatic fuses are apparently intrinisically hightly resistent to jamming. The allies looked at using electrostatic principles but preceded with radio methods instead. I belive the Germans struggled to get the range up from 3-4 meters to 10-14 meters. It looks like they had to add a small antenna cable or tailing wire to achieve this. It is unlikely that the shell could have been easily degraded by jamming or chaff. (unlike the Allied shell). Yes, claim it does things better. Just ignore the idea the whole idea of window was to mimic a bomber, and all that has to be done now is to explain how the shell would discriminate against aluminium in falling foils and in aircraft flying along. Window and Chaff could be used to form a layer below the bomber to predetonate some of the fuses. I can speculate as to several ways that this might work. It is referred to as a "influenz zunder" based in electrostatic principles. Method 1: Bridge Cicuit. The shells external capacitance is made part of a bridge circuite with an internal reference capacitor in the other arm. Any disturbance caused by an large object such as an aircraft would cause a current to flow across the bridge that would be amplified. main problem, surviving the firing accelerations. True, but they seem to have succeded. Method 2: QT or charge transfer methods. A high speed vibrating contact charges the shell and then discharges it into a known capacitance which is then measured. Should be fun to create the mechanism to allow a high speed vibrating contact, have it survive the acceleration of the firing and then spin up to arm the shell The contact could be aligned along the axis to avoid centrifugal forces or a rotating button could be used. Method 3: making the shell body part of a resonant circuit and detecting frequency changes. Should be fun lugging the fused shells around metal guns. I can not find the precise reason for the abandonment of the work in 1940 however it probably relates to the 'fuhrer befehle' or fuhrer directive that with few exceptions all work that could not be put into production within 6 months were to be terminated to increase resources for those that could (in order to support operation Barborosa). So in other words in 1940 the fuse was not ready for production. No it wasn't. Production of 1000 rounds occured for testing in 1944. It was at this time that the Germans also abandoned their magnetron and microwave development teams and programs. Many programs suffered severely due to this; something that was to have far reaching consequences for the German war effort. It would be better to say scaled back as opposed to abandoned. Abandoned is accurate. They had to get the personel back out of the Army. They didn't even recognise the value of the magnetron since the microwave experts werent there to look at it. It was taken by some initally as proof that microwaves are not good for detecting aircraft. What would have happened if the proximity fuse was not abandoned in 1940 but development continued such that it entered service in 1943? The USAAF would have flown more night missions and deployed B-29s to Europe. The B29 wasn't reliable till late 44. The engines overheated, caught fire (they were magnesium) and then burned through the spar. Nasty. The allies would have devoted more to flak suppression. The allies would have flown more missions on cloudy days using the better navigation aids in 1944. Note the half way point for Bomber Command for bombs on Germany was in late September 1944, the 8th was mid November 1944. It was a very end loaded campaign. The number of flak batteries out ran the German ability to provide them with proper fire control systems. Hence there were still sound locators in use in 1944 to use an extreme example. The idea of massed batteries was also driven by the amount of fire control systems needed. All guns fired at once apparently. Before the RAF introduced window Bomber Command was recording that around 6 to 9% of returning aircraft on night missions had flak damage, March to July 1943. This dropped to 2.85% in August and averaged 2.3% for all of 1944 and 1.4% for 1945. Window remained effective against the fire control radars for the remainder of the war. An moving target indicator called k-laus that used a 2 microsecond delay line to detect moving targets was expected to resolve window and chaff much better than wurzlaus and nurenberg. It didn't quite enter service. The average for aircraft returning damaged by flak on night raids February to December 1942 was 6.5%, for all of 1943 5.8%. In effect a proximity fuse at around 3 to 7 times the lethality would restore to exceed the pre window hit rates. The USAAF carried window and active jammers but, of course, by day the gunners could correct their aim by eye. Some batteries even had the ability to track the H2X radars of USAAF pathfinders and use this for ranging, electronic warfare was a 2 way street. =20 Geoffrey Sinclair Remove the nb for email. |
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