New CFI

RST Engineering wrote:
Except that the pilot (61.133 (b) (1)) will have stamped on their
certificate a prohibition about carrying persons for hire more than 50 miles
*or* at night without an instrument rating. I'd like to see a General
Counsel interpretation as to whether this clause would also prohibit flight
instruction for hire to these limitations.

My suspicion is that it probably WOULD be interpreted with these
limitations, so cross country or night instruction would be out, and would
severely limit the instructor rating.

It sounds to me like there it's a possibility that there's come
confusion regarding the difference between holding an instrument rating
(the instructor is allowed to fly IFR) and holding a CFII (Certificated
Flight Instructor, Instrument) rating (he's allowed to teach instrument
flying). (I know you know the difference Jim, I'm being this
descriptive for the benefit of the original poster). There have been
threads here regarding attaining a commercial or CFI certificate
without an instrument rating. As I recall (and as Pete said) at least
the commercial is definitely possible. I'd also bet it's relatively
uncommon.

As for the original question regarding flying with a brand new CFI...
I'd do it. As a student and as a pilot you'll get the opportunity to
fly with several instructors of varying style and ability. Finding a
CFI who has a teaching style compatible with your learning style is way
more important than the number of years your teacher has held his
credentials. Call me crazy, but I put a little faith in the system.
When the FAA says you're worthy of the private pilot certificate, will
you trust yourself to fly yourself? The FAA says the young CFI is
worthy of teaching you to fly, and he's been through a wringer to get
them to say it.

-R

Mt primary CFI was brand new, and not a "double I". I was his third
student. I was the first student he sent to solo, and the first to get
his license. He told me this later, of course.

I had no idea how he rated until after he moved on and I took IFR
lessons with someone else. It turned out that he was one of the most
able instructors I've ever encountered. His inexperience wasn't a
factor. He knew more about IFR flying than 5 of the CFII's I fired
after him.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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A risk with a more experienced instructor is that they may not know when
to quit offering "extras". There's a LOT of new concepts and things to
learn for a new pilot, and an experienced instructor could overwhelm that
new pilot with things that, while useful to know, aren't really relevant
to learning the fundamentals of flying an airplane.

This is actually a bad analogy. Although this is certainly possible with ANY
POOR instructor, for any GOOD experienced instructor, the exact opposite is
true.
The real issue to isolate with CFI's is the quality issue, and this can be
found both good and bad in both new and in more experienced instructors.
Assuming a good CFI in all the context that makes a good CFI, the more
experienced the GOOD instructor, the more concentration on the basics and
less concentration on ANY FACTOR in the learning curve that would confuse or
overload the student.
I would disagree with your analogy concerning more experienced instructors
as stated, and instead advise any new student to seek "quality" in a new
instructor by reference and/or personal interview; preferably both.
If this quality is found, it will most likely be even more pronounced, not
less pronounced in the "experienced" instructor.
Dudley Henriques

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Except that the pilot (61.133 (b) (1)) will have stamped on their
certificate a prohibition about carrying persons for hire more than 50
miles *or* at night without an instrument rating. I'd like to see a
General Counsel interpretation as to whether this clause would also
prohibit flight instruction for hire to these limitations.

Since a flight instructor can instruct with only a 3rd class medical,
clearly they are not actually exercising the privileges of their Commercial
certificate while instructing, and so just as clearly any restrictions on
the Commercial certificate do not apply.

My suspicion is that it probably WOULD be interpreted with these
limitations, so cross country or night instruction would be out, and would
severely limit the instructor rating.

Your suspicion is not correct. Not having an instrument rating in no
significant way limits an instructor teaching a primary student.

Pete

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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So long as (s)he isn't charging the student ...

Whether or not they charge the student is irrelevant.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Except that the pilot (61.133 (b) (1)) will have stamped on their
certificate a prohibition about carrying persons for hire more than 50
miles *or* at night without an instrument rating. I'd like to see a
General Counsel interpretation as to whether this clause would also
prohibit flight instruction for hire to these limitations.

Since a flight instructor can instruct with only a 3rd class medical,
clearly they are not actually exercising the privileges of their
Commercial certificate while instructing, and so just as clearly any
restrictions on the Commercial certificate do not apply.

My suspicion is that it probably WOULD be interpreted with these
limitations, so cross country or night instruction would be out, and
would severely limit the instructor rating.

Your suspicion is not correct. Not having an instrument rating in no
significant way limits an instructor teaching a primary student.



You've got the reference to the Chief Counsel's opinion on this? Please
cite URL so I can read it for myself.

Jim

How did you work your way out of my plonk file?

Jim



"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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So long as (s)he isn't charging the student ...

Whether or not they charge the student is irrelevant.

wrote:

PS Now for the bonus question. How could one get an airplane CFI
certificate without ever flying a retractable gear airplane?

I can see two possibilities: i) grand-fathered in from a time
when you could get a commercial without flying a complex aircraft
(but then I haven't checked the historical regulations); or, more
likely: ii) did all his training, commercial and CFI, on floats...

--Sylvain

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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How did you work your way out of my plonk file?

lol...'cause you're too dumb to be using a computer. I've been using the
same plonkable identification in this newsgroup for years.

Funny thing is, this whole subthread started when YOU replied to one of MY
posts. Took you this long to notice you were even discussing the topic with
me? I refer you to my first statement.

Pete

All CFIs are instrument rated. You must hold an instrument rating in
order to apply for a CFI certificate. The FBO probably simply meant
that the CFI was not an instrument instructor. That's no big deal. Many
CFIs who are not CFII's spent lots more time in the clouds than actual
CFIIs. For a private pilot, I wouldn't worry too much about him not
being an instrument instructor (but remember, he IS an instrument
pilot)

-Robert, CFI