DG-400 Oxygen Bottle Problems

"Mal" wrote in message
news
so putting it back in should make your insurance invalid and the annual.

Doh

Take to bottle out at annual inspection!!

duh


When you reinstall the bottle just call it "baggage".

Duane

Al.... Al.. Al... I did not want to say it out loud... LOL

BT

wrote in message
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Take to bottle out at annual inspection!!

duh

Al




BTIZ wrote:
until your inspection date runs out.. and then how do you pass the annual
condition inspection for the glider?

B

"Andy" wrote in message
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I'd be interested in seeing a link to that rule. My inderstanding was
that it was illegal to transport uncertified cylinders not that it was
illegal to fill them. What is the jurisdiction of DOT? One advantage
of a self-serve club oxygen system I suppose.

Andy

could be true?

"Mal" wrote in message
news
so putting it back in should make your insurance invalid and the annual.

Doh

Take to bottle out at annual inspection!!

duh

Switch to the EDS Mountain High system...the bottle fits just fine in my
DG-400 and thus ends the problem...it's lighter, works well and for $200
bucks you can buy your own re-fill manifold...amazing how well that takes
care of it.


Steve.

AFAIK, Mountain High has a monopoly on the EDS (electronic demand system)
for aviation use (there are "electronic demand" medical systems, but I doubt
these would be suitable for flying). MH's XR series regulators are also the
best and smallest I've seen. Unfortunately, MH's stuff is priced
accordingly - - as the "High" part of their name implies.

There are more reasonably priced sources for the more common things like the
"transfill" equipment, you mention, used to refill your own O2 bottles. Your
local welding supply place can likely help you out and the price will be
maybe 50% of what MH is charging.

bumper

"Steve Hill" wrote in message
...
Switch to the EDS Mountain High system...the bottle fits just fine in my
DG-400 and thus ends the problem...it's lighter, works well and for $200
bucks you can buy your own re-fill manifold...amazing how well that takes
care of it.


Steve.

Having it tested will make sure its safe and usually
solve the filling issue. I've had no problem with fill
stations but I'm sure you could find one that would
still be concerned about the lack of a DOT stamp. That
however should have also been an issue before it needed
to be tested.
I'll leave the DOT regs to someone with more interest.


At 23:06 30 August 2005, Tim Mara wrote:
you can Hydro test anything.......even a Pepsi can.......but
you cannot
legally fill oxygen bottles in the USA without the
DOT approval and stamp.
tim

'Gary Evans' wrote in message
...
German 02 bottles can be hydro tested at the following
facility. Just had mine done and the cost was $47.50
plus shipping.

TYM's
414 West Arbor Vitae Street
Inglewood, Ca 90301
310-673-3330
Fax 310-673-0580



At 18:18 30 August 2005, wrote:
The only test and recertification station to serve
Utah refuses to test
and fill the german factory bottles for the DG-400
since they do not
have a USA DOT stamp on them. The official regulations
(which he
showed me) state that foreign bottles without the DOT
stamp can only be
tested for 'EXPORT' use. ie, airliner, ship, etc....leaving
the USA
for its use. Oxygen suppliers theoretically should
not even be filling
the bottles without the DOT stamp on them. I got two
bottles out of
date and the last one nearing out of date ( so far
I have local
airports filling them if the date stamp is ok, they
don't know about
the DOT stamp requirement regarding refills.) On the
DG-400 as most of
you know the bottle which has a smaller diameter than
USA bottles and
fits in a fiberglass sleeve that threads its way from
the cockpit past
the fuel tank without much room to spare. 90% of my
flight time is on
Oxygen in the Rockies so it is getting critical to
solve this stalmate
with oxygen bottle testing. DG-400 owners, what are
you doing to solve
this problem???

"Gary Evans" wrote in message
...
Having it tested will make sure its safe and usually
solve the filling issue.


Very often, fire extinguisher service places will hydro test tanks. What
ever you do, don't hand it to a welding shop! They'll through it in the
truck with a bunch of others and you will hardly recognize your dinged up
tank when it finds its way home.

bumper

I agree you should always deliver the tank to the testing
facility yourself. I found that out the hard way by
leaving a couple of scuba tanks with a dealer and when
returned it looked like they had been rolled to the
test shop. Fortunately the dealer had insurance and
I got new tanks.


At 03:42 01 September 2005, Bumper wrote:

'Gary Evans' wrote in message
...
Having it tested will make sure its safe and usually
solve the filling issue.


Very often, fire extinguisher service places will hydro
test tanks. What
ever you do, don't hand it to a welding shop! They'll
through it in the
truck with a bunch of others and you will hardly recognize
your dinged up
tank when it finds its way home.

bumper

not exactly......the US bottles have to have a blow out fixture (seal) that
releases if the bottle pressure exceeds the maximum allowed pressures.the
Euro bottles don't have this........or.the DOT stamp of approval....
tim
"Gary Evans" wrote in message
...
Having it tested will make sure its safe and usually
solve the filling issue. I've had no problem with fill
stations but I'm sure you could find one that would
still be concerned about the lack of a DOT stamp. That
however should have also been an issue before it needed
to be tested.
I'll leave the DOT regs to someone with more interest.


At 23:06 30 August 2005, Tim Mara wrote:
you can Hydro test anything.......even a Pepsi can.......but
you cannot
legally fill oxygen bottles in the USA without the
DOT approval and stamp.
tim

'Gary Evans' wrote in message
...
German 02 bottles can be hydro tested at the following
facility. Just had mine done and the cost was $47.50
plus shipping.

TYM's
414 West Arbor Vitae Street
Inglewood, Ca 90301
310-673-3330
Fax 310-673-0580



At 18:18 30 August 2005, wrote:
The only test and recertification station to serve
Utah refuses to test
and fill the german factory bottles for the DG-400
since they do not
have a USA DOT stamp on them. The official regulations
(which he
showed me) state that foreign bottles without the DOT
stamp can only be
tested for 'EXPORT' use. ie, airliner, ship, etc....leaving
the USA
for its use. Oxygen suppliers theoretically should
not even be filling
the bottles without the DOT stamp on them. I got two
bottles out of
date and the last one nearing out of date ( so far
I have local
airports filling them if the date stamp is ok, they
don't know about
the DOT stamp requirement regarding refills.) On the
DG-400 as most of
you know the bottle which has a smaller diameter than
USA bottles and
fits in a fiberglass sleeve that threads its way from
the cockpit past
the fuel tank without much room to spare. 90% of my
flight time is on
Oxygen in the Rockies so it is getting critical to
solve this stalmate
with oxygen bottle testing. DG-400 owners, what are
you doing to solve
this problem???

Tim: I'm glad I posted this item so I could see all these comments.
You are right of course that just finding someone to test it isn't the
answer because without the DOT stamp an alert O2 station shouldn't fill
it. I can't understand why the USA and Germany couldn't have agreed
that for EXPERIMENTAL gliders the German bottle was exempt. Mine are
certified to 2900psi and we only fill generally to 1800psi. What is
the circumference of your "small" diameter bottles? and how long are
they? Capacity ? Cost ?