Sold out by IFR

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:32:36 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
wrote:

I used to subscribe to IFR until I realized that they offered a much better
rate to new subscribers than to existing ones. After realizing this, my
four year old decided to subscribe :-). Today he recieved a solicitation
from another aviation magazine. Obviously they sold his (and my) name and
address. I always check the little box indicating that I don't want my
information shared and I don't want to recieve any offers. I will never
subscribe to any Belvoire publication again.

Good for you.

Just had to vent after calling a credit card company and telling them not to
send me any more ot their stupid balance tranfer checks. It was the third
time I called them. I am in the national opt out list for all pre-approved
credit and I still get at least two "offers" a day. I guess that Congress
is so busy spending our hard earned money developing rainforests in Iowa and
subsidized rail to Disneyland that they don't have time for legislation that
ordinary people really care about.

There's a hint in your paragraph that I may be taking a little
personal, but maybe you should think of those companies that are
sending you their offerings and how much money they make and what
politicians their tied to.


Mike
MU-2

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to not hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 20:58:25 GMT, "JFee"
wrote:

I was upset about the same thing. Last year I joined for $24 and this year
they sent me renewal notice for $40!

So I crossed off the $40 on the renewal notice, wrote in $24 with a short
note that if they charged me the same rate I subscribed at, I would renew.

Sure enough, they sent me a bill for only $24, and I kept receiving the
magazine (though i hesitate to call it that.. more of a newsletter, I think)

That's funny! I decided to see if they improved a while back and
subscribed. True to form, they started sending me renewal notices
before I received my first issue. After the fourth notice, I told
them to cram it.


"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
nk.net...
I used to subscribe to IFR until I realized that they offered a much
better
rate to new subscribers than to existing ones. After realizing this, my
four year old decided to subscribe :-). Today he recieved a solicitation
from another aviation magazine. Obviously they sold his (and my) name and
address. I always check the little box indicating that I don't want my
information shared and I don't want to recieve any offers. I will never
subscribe to any Belvoire publication again.

Just had to vent after calling a credit card company and telling them not
to
send me any more ot their stupid balance tranfer checks. It was the third
time I called them. I am in the national opt out list for all
pre-approved
credit and I still get at least two "offers" a day. I guess that Congress
is so busy spending our hard earned money developing rainforests in Iowa
and
subsidized rail to Disneyland that they don't have time for legislation
that
ordinary people really care about.

Mike
MU-2

"FiPe" wrote in message
...
From: "Mike Rapoport"

I guess that Congress
is so busy spending our hard earned money developing rainforests in Iowa
and
subsidized rail to Disneyland that they don't have time for legislation
that
ordinary people really care about.


People who fly MU-2s are not ordinary ;-)

I'm just envious,
Fidel


I am pretty ordinary in that I don't want my name sold so that people can
try to sell me stuff that I don't want. I don't know anyone who wants
his/her name/address sold

Mike
MU-2

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message news:JVgTb.81

The difference between me and you is that I could not be bothered to
play
that game. So I let my subscription slide years ago. So now they get
nothing
and I am spared of the bull****.

In the "old days", companies used to "nickel and dime", you to death.
Today,
it's $50 and $100 you to death.

Not a month goes by I don't find someone trying to slip and extra $10,
$20,
$50...past us on a billing statement. Of course, the "error" is never in
MY
favor. :~(

I'm on a screw you diet.
The rules are simple:

1. If the price is fair, I will pay it. You do not waste my time with
negotiations.

2. If there is a problem with your product, I give you one chance to fix it.
If you cannot fix it satisfactorily and fast the first time, I will return
it for a refund.

3. If I have to wait more than 10 minutes maximum to talk to your tech
support on the phone then I will take my business elsewhere.

4. I do not stand and wait in any queue for more than 4 minutes. After which
time I leave the goods exactly where they are and walk out of the store
(losers on welfare have an excuse to wait in line)

5. If you have me between a rock and a hard place - tardy contractors are an
example - I will harrass you by telephone at your home and/or business at
least 4 times a day until you make good.

Try it. It works.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...

I guess they need to distinguish what we care about from what we want!
Pork
spending is getting out of hand but I don't see any mechanism to contain
it.
Even the defense budget is about 25% pork according to one study I read
(I
think it was by the CBO or GAO).


In 1981-82 the Grace Commission found that 40% or more of government
spending was pork/waste.

But hey, this is a DEMOCRACY. The spending might not be what YOU want (you
probably have your own little pet project -- we all do), but it's what
your
NEIGHBOR wants.

"What we must remember is that, in a democracy, the whores are us." - P.J.
O'Rourke, _Parliament of Whores_.




I agree completely. Everybody wants lots of things if they don't have to
pay for them. The federal government should stick to national issues,
defense, foriegn relations, interstate commerce, national parks, some
research ect. The state governments should stick to state issues, state
highways, law enforcement and so on. Local projects should be funded
locally. If Anaheim needs a railway to Disneyland which is only going to
benefit Anaheim hotels, I don't see why someone in New York should pay for
it. All pork spending is a result of people wanting things they don't have
to pay for.

I don't have any pet projects that I expect someone else to pay for.

Mike
MU-2

"JFee" wrote in message
news:RLdTb.206424$na.338827@attbi_s04...
I was upset about the same thing. Last year I joined for $24 and this
year
they sent me renewal notice for $40!

So I crossed off the $40 on the renewal notice, wrote in $24 with a short
note that if they charged me the same rate I subscribed at, I would
renew.

Sure enough, they sent me a bill for only $24, and I kept receiving the
magazine (though i hesitate to call it that.. more of a newsletter, I
think)

-Jonathan

Another of my pet peeves is when a business extends different prices to
different customers.

"Every man deserves a square deal" Theodore Roosevelt

Mike
MU-2

Why?

Mike
MU-2


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:gydTb.203997$xy6.1049254@attbi_s02...
May I suggest that you let them know why you won't buy their
products again, if you haven't already?

Better leave out the part about the 4-year old subscribing, however...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Abafon Goula" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad
now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to not
hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.

And which one from the past 150 years or more, would fit that description?

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...

I guess they need to distinguish what we care about from what we want!
Pork
spending is getting out of hand but I don't see any mechanism to
contain
it.
Even the defense budget is about 25% pork according to one study I
read
(I
think it was by the CBO or GAO).


In 1981-82 the Grace Commission found that 40% or more of government
spending was pork/waste.

But hey, this is a DEMOCRACY. The spending might not be what YOU want
(you
probably have your own little pet project -- we all do), but it's what
your
NEIGHBOR wants.

"What we must remember is that, in a democracy, the whores are us." -
P.J.
O'Rourke, _Parliament of Whores_.




I agree completely. Everybody wants lots of things if they don't have to
pay for them. The federal government should stick to national issues,
defense, foriegn relations, interstate commerce, national parks, some
research ect.

See, even that last couple are outside the vail of the Constitution.
EVERYBODY and I mean EVERYBODY has some pet project the want the feds to
perform outside their assigned duties.

You want Parks and R&D. Someone else wants health care. Another wants cheap
gas.

That's where it goes haywire.


The state governments should stick to state issues, state
highways, law enforcement and so on. Local projects should be funded
locally. If Anaheim needs a railway to Disneyland which is only going to
benefit Anaheim hotels, I don't see why someone in New York should pay for
it.

Why should TAXPAYERS in ANY locale pay for a private companies
infrastructure?


All pork spending is a result of people wanting things they don't have
to pay for.

I don't have any pet projects that I expect someone else to pay for.


You mentioned two above.