Uncontrolled airport departure-again...

I know this question has probably been answered thousand times before
on this forum. I am based at s50 in washington with no instrument
approach or departure procedure. It is class G to 1200 and then class
e plus some class b around.

How can I depart IFR from this airport? Do i need to depart VFR and
stay below 1200 and pick up my clearance or can I get a void time
clearance, be responsible for my own obstacle clearance and separation
and depart essentially at 0/0 (if i ever thought that was a good
idea?) The minimum vectoring altitude is 2000 feet. Just thinking
about those days where the ceiling is 800-1200 or a 400 feet fog layer
where it would be nice to get out.

Get a clearance by calling from your cell phone. Obstical clearance is your
responsibility.

Mike
MU-2

"endre" wrote in message
om...
I know this question has probably been answered thousand times before
on this forum. I am based at s50 in washington with no instrument
approach or departure procedure. It is class G to 1200 and then class
e plus some class b around.

How can I depart IFR from this airport? Do i need to depart VFR and
stay below 1200 and pick up my clearance or can I get a void time
clearance, be responsible for my own obstacle clearance and separation
and depart essentially at 0/0 (if i ever thought that was a good
idea?) The minimum vectoring altitude is 2000 feet. Just thinking
about those days where the ceiling is 800-1200 or a 400 feet fog layer
where it would be nice to get out.

"endre" wrote:
How can I depart IFR from this airport? Do i need to depart VFR and
stay below 1200 and pick up my clearance or can I get a void time
clearance...

Look in the back of the Airport/Facilities Directory for your FSS
clearance delivery phone number. Call them for a void time clearance if
you can't maintain VFR up to radar altitude.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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Get a clearance by calling from your cell phone. Obstical clearance is
your
responsibility.

Mike
MU-2


There is never a time on initial departure when obstacle clearance is not
the responsibility of the pilot - controlled or uncontrolled.

I will add to the suggestions you got,
If you have a tower near your airport, you can call them or, as when I was
doing my instrument training, we flew into and out of cedar city Ut. no
tower, so we called center and got our clearance from them.
I fly out of HND and VGT, when the tower is closed, I call LAS.

I looked up your airport, it looks like SEA is only about 7 miles from
you, I would call them for your clearance. File with FSS, then about 15
minutes before your ready to go, call them on the radio and tell them who
you are, where you are and what you want.

endre wrote:

I know this question has probably been answered thousand times before
on this forum. I am based at s50 in washington with no instrument
approach or departure procedure. It is class G to 1200 and then class
e plus some class b around.

How can I depart IFR from this airport? Do i need to depart VFR and
stay below 1200 and pick up my clearance or can I get a void time
clearance, be responsible for my own obstacle clearance and separation
and depart essentially at 0/0 (if i ever thought that was a good
idea?) The minimum vectoring altitude is 2000 feet. Just thinking
about those days where the ceiling is 800-1200 or a 400 feet fog layer
where it would be nice to get out.

I departed an airport recently (uncontrolled) and called fss and filed.
After taxi and runup called (cell phone) again and got clearance.

Steve
"endre" wrote in message
om...
I know this question has probably been answered thousand times before
on this forum. I am based at s50 in washington with no instrument
approach or departure procedure. It is class G to 1200 and then class
e plus some class b around.

How can I depart IFR from this airport? Do i need to depart VFR and
stay below 1200 and pick up my clearance or can I get a void time
clearance, be responsible for my own obstacle clearance and separation
and depart essentially at 0/0 (if i ever thought that was a good
idea?) The minimum vectoring altitude is 2000 feet. Just thinking
about those days where the ceiling is 800-1200 or a 400 feet fog layer
where it would be nice to get out.

Robert Henry wrote:

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
Get a clearance by calling from your cell phone. Obstical clearance is
your
responsibility.

Mike
MU-2


There is never a time on initial departure when obstacle clearance is not
the responsibility of the pilot - controlled or uncontrolled.

When is there a time when obstacle clearance is not the responsibility of the
pilot? The only difference at a VFR airport is the feds don't provide you a
procedure to help you fulfill that responsibility.

Yes thats true. I was referring to the fact that, without a obstacle DP,
you are on your own in determining whether or not you will clear
obstructions.

Mike
MU-2

"Robert Henry" wrote in message
news:MNy_b.2362$TT5.1291@lakeread06...

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
Get a clearance by calling from your cell phone. Obstical clearance is
your
responsibility.

Mike
MU-2


There is never a time on initial departure when obstacle clearance is not
the responsibility of the pilot - controlled or uncontrolled.

In article ,
endre wrote:
I know this question has probably been answered thousand times before
on this forum. I am based at s50 in washington with no instrument
approach or departure procedure.

In the Portland area there's a frequency for uncontrolled airports
to use (119.95 iirc). At 7S3 there's one spot on the airport where
it's usable, so you taxi over, get a void time, depart and call
Portland Departure.

I don't see anything like that in the Seattle area, though. Are
such services common? Would SEA think you were off your nut if
you managed to raise them on 128.0 and said 'on the ground at Auburn'?

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

"endre" wrote in message
om...

I know this question has probably been answered thousand times before
on this forum. I am based at s50 in washington with no instrument
approach or departure procedure. It is class G to 1200 and then class
e plus some class b around.

How can I depart IFR from this airport?


I'd try calling Seattle approach on 119.2. You're only 8 miles from SEA,
you may be able to get them on the ground at S50. Give it a try next time
you're at S50.

Incidentally, it's Class G to 700 MSL over S50, not 1200



Do i need to depart VFR and
stay below 1200 and pick up my clearance or can I get a void time
clearance, be responsible for my own obstacle clearance and separation
and depart essentially at 0/0 (if i ever thought that was a good
idea?)


Controlled airspace begins at 700 AGL and the base of Class B airspace is
3000 MSL over S50. If it's VFR all you have to do is avoid Class B airspace
until getting a clearance. If it's below VFR minimums you have to have an
IFR clearance before you climb into Class E airspace at 700 AGL.