Amnesty for illegal immigrants will not happen this time.....................

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:28:23 GMT, Jose
wrote in : :

If the US immigration law hadn't been broken by the parents, their
children would have been born outside the US, and been ineligible for
immediate US citizenship. To reward criminal conduct is unjust

To punish innocents is unjust. The parents aren't being rewarded, the
children would be punished.

To profit from an illegal act is unjust.

The children wouldn't be punished; they'd be treated as though their
parents hadn't committed a crime by illegally crossing the US border.
To provide an incentive to illegally cross the US border is not very
intelligent.

To profit from an illegal act is unjust.

The children wouldn't be punished; they'd be treated as though their
parents hadn't committed a crime by illegally crossing the US border.
To provide an incentive to illegally cross the US border is not very
intelligent.

Why your intense hatred? If you are born in America, you are American,
no matter what your parents did.

Jose
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The ones carry and waving Mexican flags seek political power
"as Mexicans" and the over-throw of the US Government. They
are invaders. The law that has not been enforced makes it
illegal to hire undocumented workers, put the boss in jail
too.

I am all in favor of anybody wanting to be an American (USA)
citizen, but I am very unhappy with people wanting to make
American [USA] Mexico or any other country. I don't want
bribery, graft and oligarchy which are the rule south of the
USA.


"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:NTbXf.7090$t22.1437@dukeread08...
| To be more correct, we now have 12 million mostly
unarmed
| Mexican INVADERS
|
| Uh, they're here at the behest of millions of American
employers
| (individuals and small businesses). That makes them
invitees, not invaders.
|
| with the goal of retaking Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and
California.
| And they are or appear to be succeeding.
|
| That's each immigrant's *goal*? As opposed to, say,
wanting to provide for
| their own family? Do you have evidence for this
astonishing interpretation?
| Or do you think evidence is unnecessary when you engage in
ideological
| bluster?
|
| --Gary
|
|

That is a poem on a plaque where immigrants came ashore and
were kept in isolation quarantine for weeks while their
health and skills were checked. If we had a Ellis Island
along the Mexican border, it might apply.



"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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| Give me your tired, your poor,
| Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
| The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
| Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
| I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
|
| "Larry Dighera" wrote in message
| ...
| On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:14:00 GMT, Jose

| wrote in
::
|
| While children of illegal aliens are currently
considered to be US
| citizens, perhaps it's time to amend the law
(retroactively) to
| exclude the children of those who cross the US border
ILLEGALLY from
| that right.
|
| It's the children's fault?
|
| If the US immigration law hadn't been broken by the
parents, their
| children would have been born outside the US, and been
ineligible for
| immediate US citizenship. To reward criminal conduct is
unjust (with
| the apparent exception of the Bush administration).
|
|
|

I don't want
bribery, graft and oligarchy which are the rule south of the
USA.

That's not the rule here? Check out the DC area.

Jose
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Jim Macklin wrote:
That is a poem on a plaque where immigrants came ashore and
were kept in isolation quarantine for weeks while their
health and skills were checked. If we had a Ellis Island
along the Mexican border, it might apply.

It was also written at a time when world and US population were much
lower, still mostly agrarian, and the US was much less socialistic than
it is today.

Ellis Island was a route for legal immigration. The major compalints
today are about IL-legal immigration, and what happens after that.

And to keep it in-group,
Jose asked:
... and how many children of illegal immigrants will learn to pilot
them, fuel them, or service them?
That depends on how long they get to hang around, the income status
they and their parents reach, etc. If the children were born here and
are therefore citizens (something that might need to be changed), then
they have a fair enough chance at gaining the income necessary to join
the club.

They'll have to work hard though. I hear today that our schools around
here let out at 2PM. No wonder we are not competitive.

writes:

Jose asked:
While children of illegal aliens are currently considered to be US
citizens, perhaps it's time to amend the law (retroactively) to
exclude the children of those who cross the US border ILLEGALLY from
that right.

It's the children's fault?

I believe the children are only citizens if they are BORN in the US. I
don't think very many countries have that particular law.

I'm also not sure that "fault" applies.

One case I don't want to create, which has existed in Switzerland and
I think Germany and France (may have been fixed by EU action, my
experience with it is quite old), is where guest workers (from places
like Turkey) live their lives and raise their families in the country,
but their children have no legal right of residence there -- even
though they've rarely or never visited their "home" country, and in
some cases don't even speak the language. Possibly our approach goes
too far; and at the same time it *doesn't* cover children brought in
as infants and raised entirely here.

The illegal immigrants, the people who hire them, and the various
governments have all allowed this mess to be created. It'll be
interesting to see how it works out.

Yes, lots of contributors, definitely.

This is rec.aviation.piloting, so to keep it in-field:
How many of the illegal immigrants come by small aircraft??

I haven't heard that it's very many.
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:14:00 GMT, Jose
wrote in ::

While children of illegal aliens are currently considered to be US
citizens, perhaps it's time to amend the law (retroactively) to
exclude the children of those who cross the US border ILLEGALLY from
that right.

It's the children's fault?

If the US immigration law hadn't been broken by the parents, their
children would have been born outside the US, and been ineligible for
immediate US citizenship. To reward criminal conduct is unjust (with
the apparent exception of the Bush administration).


On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:49:56 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote in oReXf.117$v9.69@trndny01::

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


Who wrote that? Is the lady with the lamp who graces the entrance to
New York harbor a French-horse? :-)

I believe the US has absorbed its share of immigrants over the
centuries.

It is anachronistic, negligent, perhaps reckless, and definitely
irresponsible for the world's leading nation to fail to appreciate the
necessity of controlled and documented movement across its borders.

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:17:47 GMT, Jose
wrote in : :

To profit from an illegal act is unjust.

The children wouldn't be punished; they'd be treated as though their
parents hadn't committed a crime by illegally crossing the US border.
To provide an incentive to illegally cross the US border is not very
intelligent.

Why your intense hatred?

Why do you infer hatred in my words? I've expressed no enmity.

If you are born in America, you are American,
no matter what your parents did.

I believe that to be the current situation. I would suggest that it
should be changed.

Why do you infer hatred in my words? I've expressed no enmity.

Disenfranchising American Citizens as a matter of policy just because
their parents committed a crime is an act of hatred. These American
Citizens did nothing wrong. (You did say that you wanted it to be
retroactive).

The Children of illegal immigrants also did nothing wrong. What is
special about =children= of legitimate citizens that they should be
citizens too, while children (born here) of foreigners (including
travellers or illegal immigrants) should not?

Jose
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