Amnesty for illegal immigrants will not happen this time.....................

("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
But I sort of doubt you'd say we should keep the child here and kick the
parents out.


You've got that flipped around. Keep the uncle, send back the kid.

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Montblack

But I sort of doubt you'd say we should keep the child here and kick the
parents out.

No, the child should go with the parents. But the child is an American
citizen. At 18 he or she can return on their own with full rights as an
Ameican citizen. While travelling through this country, the child is
equally a citizen. That is as it should be.

Jose
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You do realize that if an illegal shows up with a social security card and a
drivers lic the employer has no way to know they are illegal?

TO make matters worst when the Soc. Sec Administration sends the employer a
letter a year or so later that says the SS number isn't correct and that the
employer should go and "Check" with the employee to see if there was a typo.
If not and the employee shows you the ID with the known bad SS#, the
employer can take NO adverse action and everything just keeps on going like
it was. In fact to take "adverse action" is a violation of federal law.

If the employee stays around more than a year you get the same letter a year
later.

So don't say the employers want to hire illegals in many cases we don't have
a choice.


"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:37:13 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

Now the building trades are dominated by illegal aliens who have no
training, work for peanuts, and are paid cash without contributing to
Social Security or Workers Compensation.

.. who gives them these jobs? Lawa abiding American companies?

They have taken good jobs
^^^^
again, American companies have taken them. [1]

away from Americans, and reduced the quality of workmanship. Today
trained, SS and WC paying, union workers in the building trades
account for about 20% of those on the job.

#m

[1] no US bashing here; this is true for almost every country.
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Jim Macklin wrote:
That is a poem on a plaque where immigrants came ashore and
were kept in isolation quarantine for weeks while their
health and skills were checked. If we had a Ellis Island
along the Mexican border, it might apply.

Close enough for the cigar, especially since many people connect Ellis
Island with the Statue of Liberty on Liberty Island. But this is
closer:

The New Colossus is a poem that American poet Emma Lazarus (1849-1887)
wrote in 1883 for the Statue of Liberty, New York.

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

On 2006-04-01, Jose wrote:
That's not what you are proposing. You are proposing dealing with
=children= of illegal aliens, who are by rights US citizens by birth.

The other issue about the children is that depending on the home country
of their parents, they may well end up being a citizen of nowhere if you
strip their US citizenship. Their parents home country might also class
them illegal immigrants. There are a few of these completely
disenfranchised people around (they carry a grey UN passport,
apparently) - usually they are this way because their home country
ceased to exist and what replaced it won't grant them citizenship. They
are pretty unfortunate - they don't have the right of abode anywhere on
the planet.

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On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:25:14 -0000, Dylan Smith
wrote in
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they may well end up being a citizen of nowhere if you
strip their US citizenship.

Perhaps that would be sufficient deterrent to illegal immigration to
cause their parents to be more law abiding.

On 2006-04-06, Larry Dighera wrote:
they may well end up being a citizen of nowhere if you
strip their US citizenship.

Perhaps that would be sufficient deterrent to illegal immigration to
cause their parents to be more law abiding.

It's highly unlikely - they may not even be aware of this consequence,
and besides they are usually fairly desperate people trying to get away
from the grinding poverty of their home countries (that's why they are
illegally immigrating in the first place).

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Few of the illegal aliens that we are talking about have or will ever have a
passport form their home country be it the USA or Mexico.


"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
...
On 2006-04-06, Larry Dighera wrote:
they may well end up being a citizen of nowhere if you
strip their US citizenship.

Perhaps that would be sufficient deterrent to illegal immigration to
cause their parents to be more law abiding.

It's highly unlikely - they may not even be aware of this consequence,
and besides they are usually fairly desperate people trying to get away
from the grinding poverty of their home countries (that's why they are
illegally immigrating in the first place).

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Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
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Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
...
On 2006-04-06, Larry Dighera wrote:
they may well end up being a citizen of nowhere if you
strip their US citizenship.

Perhaps that would be sufficient deterrent to illegal immigration to
cause their parents to be more law abiding.

It's highly unlikely - they may not even be aware of this consequence,
and besides they are usually fairly desperate people trying to get away
from the grinding poverty of their home countries (that's why they are
illegally immigrating in the first place).

In some cases that is true but many of them now are saying they want to make
this country just like Mexico. In other words they want to turn the US into
a corrupt third world country with no economy.

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On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:54:06 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote in : :

many of them now are saying they want to make
this country just like Mexico.

Actually, from what I hear, Mexico is continuing its surreptitious
invasion of the USA in the attempt of regaining the land it lost.
Don't laugh. Hispanics are now the majority in Los Angeles.