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What, exactly, is a "legal briefing"?


On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:26:51 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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OtisWinslow wrote:
I find ADDS the most useful. I also use DUATS because I need a legal
briefing.

Legal? Maybe you mean that you think there is an audit trail, so if
necessary you could prove that you actually got a briefing. I think that
too, but I'm not sure why. I couldn't find anything on the DUAT providers'
web sites that says they provide that service (audit trail).


Isn't the "session number" and the time/date information that's (usually) in
the upper left hand side of the screen the way in which either you and/or
the FAA can prove that you used DUATS?

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
PP-ASEL

wrote:

What, exactly, is a "legal briefing"?

AFSS or DUATS. It's a standard weather briefing.

Newps wrote:


wrote:

What, exactly, is a "legal briefing"?


AFSS or DUATS. It's a standard weather briefing.


That's no less or more legal than anything else.

You're screwed if you don't get all the appropriate information.
The fact that a government or government-contracted provider was
contacted and they failed to provide the information will not
save your hide in an enforcement action.

If we're talking weather DUAT/FSS isn't more enlightened than
many other outlets. Where do you think the FSS gets it's weather
from? (I'll give you a hint, it's not another government agency).

Ron Natalie wrote:
Newps wrote:



wrote:

What, exactly, is a "legal briefing"?



AFSS or DUATS. It's a standard weather briefing.


That's no less or more legal than anything else.

I remember the FAA saying some other outlets were now legal, don't
recall what they are.


You're screwed if you don't get all the appropriate information.
The fact that a government or government-contracted provider was
contacted and they failed to provide the information will not
save your hide in an enforcement action.

What they give you is proof. Having said that I only get a provable
briefing when I'm on the road and away from home. 95% of my flying I
simply look out the window. I will look at the TAF's on NOAA.gov the
night before but that's about it. We don't have TFR's here except for
fires and if the Prez is going to show up I'll know it several days
before the press does. If a runway is closed I hope they put X's on the
runway like they're required to.



If we're talking weather DUAT/FSS isn't more enlightened than
many other outlets. Where do you think the FSS gets it's weather
from? (I'll give you a hint, it's not another government agency).

I use NOAA because I like how it's presented. I occasionally use ADDS
for a cross country because I like the JAVA app. I use the Intellicast
surface analysis chart and radar loops. I use a Unisys VFR/MVFR chart.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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Where do you think the FSS gets it's weather
from? (I'll give you a hint, it's not another government agency).

Okay, I'll bite.

I would have said http://aviationweather.gov/

Is that not a government agency???

Newps wrote:

I remember the FAA saying some other outlets were now legal, don't
recall what they are.

To my knowledge no such assertion has ever been made by the FAA.
Noncommercial operators have always been free to do what they thought
was prudent. Commercial operators must follow their manual/opspec.


What they give you is proof. Having said that I only get a provable
briefing when I'm on the road and away from home. 95% of my flying I
simply look out the window. I will look at the TAF's on NOAA.gov the
night before but that's about it. We don't have TFR's here except for
fires and if the Prez is going to show up I'll know it several days
before the press does. If a runway is closed I hope they put X's on the
runway like they're required to.

What proof does this give you? I'll reiterate what I said. Even
if you call the FSS and they DO NOT give you the TFR info, that will
not save your ass in an enforcement action.

Icebound wrote:


Okay, I'll bite.

I would have said http://aviationweather.gov/

Is that not a government agency???


Kavouras was the provider, but I think they switched to
someone else.

Ron Natalie wrote:
Newps wrote:

I remember the FAA saying some other outlets were now legal, don't
recall what they are.


To my knowledge no such assertion has ever been made by the FAA.

There are websites that the FAA said are legal. The problem is you'd
have to print them out to prove you were there. Nobody's going to do that.



What proof does this give you? I'll reiterate what I said. Even
if you call the FSS and they DO NOT give you the TFR info, that will
not save your ass in an enforcement action.

It does if you ask and they fail to give you the info. That is fairly
common here with fires. These TFR's pop up, expand and move with some
regularity. There's always someone flying thru where they shouldn't.
But if the pilot asked AFSS about TFR's and they were not given the
proper info they are off the hook. Same goes for if I tell a pilot the
wrong info. That's on me, not on the pilot. That has also happened.

It does if you ask and they fail to give you the info. That is fairly
common here with fires. These TFR's pop up, expand and move with some
regularity. There's always someone flying thru where they shouldn't. But
if the pilot asked AFSS about TFR's and they were not given the proper
info they are off the hook. Same goes for if I tell a pilot the wrong
info. That's on me, not on the pilot. That has also happened.

Not the way things work on this side of the country.

In article , "OtisWinslow"
writes:

ples list your most usefull weather sites for use in Flt planning

thanks

I use DUAT for weather maps and DUATS for briefing and flight plan.

Chuck