Busting airspace question

alice wrote:
A 30 day suspension for what?Did he contest this in court?

Some might argue that a 30 day suspension is not worth taking it to
court if you are just a private pilot... Especially since for a lot of
people it is not like it would really prevent them from flying their own
plane anyway... Just like being a bit past their medical or BFR or
annual on their aircraft do not cause some people to ground themselves...

On Feb 1, 7:53 am, "alice" wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:57 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On Jan 31, 4:33 pm, "Dallas" wrote:

A friend of mine got a 30 day suspension and a bad record for 5 years
on his solo cross country. Personally, I require my students to use
flight following in case they get into the class C by mistake.
-Robert

Robert,
A 30 day suspension for what?Did he contest this in court?What
happened to his instructor?

He busted the airspace so there wasn't much to contest. I'm sure if
he'd gone to court and lost the FAA would haved asked for at least 90
days (this is typical, 30 days now or make us go to court and we'll
ask for 90). He did have to report it to his insurance co for
something like 5 years, after that the FAA removed it from his record.

How does using flight following absolve you from guilt when you
violate a reg?

If he has flight following he's not violated any reg.

-robert

C J Campbell wrote:
Yeah, we get that sort of thing in Seattle, too.

Well, up there they just figure you're going to turn back around after
you realize that you're out of coffee...

Robert M. Gary wrote:

If he has flight following he's not violated any reg.



A gentle reminder that the OP asked about Bravo, not Charlie space.

You certainly can bust Bravo with a flight following. Some controllers
are very good and professional about helping you not bust it. Others
might be too busy, not care, or on that rare occasion, devious, but it's
up to the pilot to make sure clearance is granted.

A student pilot on flight following clipping the edge of Bravo is possible.

B A R R Y writes:

A gentle reminder that the OP asked about Bravo, not Charlie space.

You certainly can bust Bravo with a flight following. Some controllers
are very good and professional about helping you not bust it. Others
might be too busy, not care, or on that rare occasion, devious, but it's
up to the pilot to make sure clearance is granted.

A student pilot on flight following clipping the edge of Bravo is possible.

How does ATC prove that someone has entered Bravo airspace?

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Mxsmanic wrote:

How does ATC prove that someone has entered Bravo airspace?

Radar

A friend of mine got a 30 day suspension and a bad record for 5 years
on his solo cross country. Personally, I require my students to use
flight following in case they get into the class C by mistake.
-Robert
He busted the airspace so there wasn't much to contest. I'm sure if
he'd gone to court and lost the FAA would haved asked for at least 90
days (this is typical, 30 days now or make us go to court and we'll
ask for 90).

Robert,
Nothing to contest?????! What???!
There is always something to contest.How strong was the FAA's evidence?
Who was this pilots attorney?When in doubt, file a NASA report.Just
because the FAA ask, it doesnt mean you have to take a violation.It
also doesnt mean there will be a greater penalty if you contest a
certificate action. As a CFI you should know this.

If he has flight following he's not violated any reg.

I hope you dont teach your students this! You cant enter class B
unless you have a specific clearance to do so.AND, just because your
students request flight following it shouldnt mean that they can
meander into any airspace they wish.What do your students do when
flight following isnt available?Your attitude is kinda dangerous.

-robert
KM

"alice" wrote in message
Who was this pilots attorney?

There's no way I'm paying a lawyer to fight a 30 day suspension.


I hope you dont teach your students this! You cant enter class B

He pretty clearly said class C - as in Charlie.

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:48:05 -0800, Grumman-581 wrote
(in article ):

C J Campbell wrote:
Yeah, we get that sort of thing in Seattle, too.

Well, up there they just figure you're going to turn back around after
you realize that you're out of coffee...

We call that spare hydraulic fluid.

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