Bad Engrish?

Shirl:
To be eligible for a private pilot certificate, a person must:
[a, b...]
(c) Be able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language.

Cubdriver:
But the pilot in question almost certainly never applied for a (US)
private pilot certificate, or indeed any American pilot certificate.

Yeah, I realized that afterwards.

Is there a requirement that a pilot holding a foreign certificate and
flying in US airspace "read, speak" etc the English language? Or
merely that he communicate with ATC in English?

I don't know. Haven't seen one, so far. Again, just seems any pilot
flying into JFK, SFO or LAX should speak and understand English well
enough to be able to answer a question as basic, whether it's "standard
aviation phraseology" or not, as "Have you been cleared to the ramp?"
and to understand and accurately read back a clearly spoken taxi
clearance without having to hear it four times.

Maybe it's just me, but if a controller asked me the same question a
second time, I'd think about what I didn't answer instead of just
repeating the same response without even thinking about it.

Cubdriver usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:31:38 +0200, Wolfgang Schwanke
wrote:

Indeed, there was quite a fuss a year or two ago when controllers at
Charles de Gaulle demanded that American and British pilots speak in
French.

Unless I missed that news item, you may be mixing some facts up. They
are speaking in French to French crews and English to everyone else.

No, they spoke to the English-speaking flight crews in French. That
was the cause of the celebre.



Happens all the time. Mostly in error. It's only a problem if you can't
count in French (to recognise your own flight number if they are calling
you )
I doubt they were insisting the crews speak in French though, unless the
crews were acting like tits, which is often the case.

Bertie
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Thomas Borchert writes:

No idea. Fact is, the controller didn't use standard phraseology.

Whether he used it or not is not important in this case.

Cubdriver usenet AT danford DOT net writes:

But the pilot in question almost certainly never applied for a (US)
private pilot certificate, or indeed any American pilot certificate.

He still has to communicate in English.

Is there a requirement that a pilot holding a foreign certificate and
flying in US airspace "read, speak" etc the English language? Or
merely that he communicate with ATC in English?

If he's in a movement area of JFK, he needs to speak English.

Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

That's not the point. The point is that an American accent, even
"standard" American without any noticeable regional dialect, can be an
obstacle to foreigners who were taught British English, especially if
their command of the language is not perfect.

This is incorrect. If they are sufficiently fluent in English, the accent
will not be an obstacle. Any accent strong enough and different enough to be
a problem would also be a problem for native English speakers. In this case,
the native speakers understood easily, and so the problem was the incompetence
of the pilot. Rest assured, he wouldn't understand any British accent,
either.

Cubdriver usenet AT danford DOT net writes:

No. Is there a CdG airport in Quebec?

Then perhaps you can point me to a record of the incident, as I would be
interested in reading about it. I've never heard of a problem like this in
France before.

El Maximo writes:

Last time I checked, CDG was in France.

The last legitimate incident of this kind that I heard of was in Québec.

Guess you're wrong again.

How can one be wrong with a question?

Where's the article on this incident?

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Thomas Borchert writes:

No idea. Fact is, the controller didn't use standard phraseology.

Whether he used it or not is not important in this case.

Intelligent people can see that it is critical.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...

How can one be wrong with a question?

I don't know, but you always seem to manage.


Where's the article on this incident?

My library has one. Try yours.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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El Maximo writes:

Last time I checked, CDG was in France.

The last legitimate incident of this kind that I heard of was in Québec.

Guess you're wrong again.

How can one be wrong with a question?

Questions use question marks, fjukktard



Bertie