Daddy! What did you do?!!!

Dan Luke wrote:
"Ricky" wrote:


In my experience, Atlanta and Dallas are always hyper and very curt.

Hmmm...I did my commercial/instrument training at Corsicana, Tx.
(Navarro College) and made regular forrays to Love field (Southwest's
home). I loved the sprawling metropolis, especially at night, and the
tour of downtown Big D approaching Love was always a treat.
I was never under the impression that Dallas was hyper or curt,
although maybe they were and that's all I had experience with at the
time.



I bow to your experience. I've only flown there a few times, and always on
weekdays.


I too fly in the Dallas area and have never had a problem with them. As
Ricky wrote, the "City Tour" at night is great and approach is easy to
work with. Now, one time, I requested clearance Class Bravo to go to a
airport south of Dallas and the contoller said cleared Class Bravo,
expect vectors. He vectored me to my airport. Looking at the map, he
vectored me under and around the Class B ?????.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

Jim Stewart wrote:

There may still be good cops out there, but
my experience over the last few years is that
most of them seem to be driven by ego and
adrenaline.

I basically have a high respect for most law enforcement officers (and
only partly because my wife used to be one), but these days it seems
there's a larger number of cops who were the kid that was picked on at
school and they seem to take it out on everyone they meet.

There are others who are perfectly friendly and will go out of their way
to help you, but the ones with the inferiority complexes seem to
overshadow the good ones.

It's a shame really.

But, to get this back to aviation, the majority of the cops that patrol
our airport are really good guys. When we're hanging out after flying
drinking a few cold ones they tend to stop and chat with us for a few
minutes while doing their rounds.


-m
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## CP-ASEL-IA, CFI-A, AGI
## insert tail number here
## KHAO, KISZ
"And the children call him famous, what the old men call insane."
-- Jefferson Airplane, "Lather"

On Aug 24, 11:56 am, Steve Schneider wrote:
I
suggested that perhaps he should talk to the three folks from the other
plane who they completely missed when they came storming down the ramp.
That suggestion fell on deaf ears -- as if I was trying to deflect
suspicion elsewhere.


My father in-law tried to explain to one of the
other officers that this sounded like the behavior he saw from the other
plane as they were waiting for us to arrive. Eventually a resident of
the airpark -- who in fact had called the police -- finally stepped
forward and helped sort things out. He had heard me call in over
Firebird, and knew I wasn't the pilot they wanted. The one officer still
stayed on me for quite a while -- long after his buddies had focused on
the other plane.


File a lawsuit, extended harrasment. incompetence. get them fired.

Morons like that should not be allowed to have guns or authority

"Tater" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 24, 11:56 am, Steve Schneider wrote:
I
suggested that perhaps he should talk to the three folks from the other
plane who they completely missed when they came storming down the ramp.
That suggestion fell on deaf ears -- as if I was trying to deflect
suspicion elsewhere.


My father in-law tried to explain to one of the
other officers that this sounded like the behavior he saw from the other
plane as they were waiting for us to arrive. Eventually a resident of
the airpark -- who in fact had called the police -- finally stepped
forward and helped sort things out. He had heard me call in over
Firebird, and knew I wasn't the pilot they wanted. The one officer still
stayed on me for quite a while -- long after his buddies had focused on
the other plane.


File a lawsuit, extended harrasment. incompetence. get them fired.

Morons like that should not be allowed to have guns or authority

Yeah, right.

This was in Chandler, where one cop (Lovelace) managed to get one innocent
bystander killed during a high speed pursuit, then killed a lady for an
illegal prescription.

Chandler PD is both corrupt and grossly inept (according to my BIL who lives
net door in Gilbert/Power Ranch (whose PD is even worse).

On Aug 27, 3:15 pm, Tater wrote:
File a lawsuit, extended harrasment. incompetence. get them fired.

Morons like that should not be allowed to have guns or authority

Get them fired for asking questions?

Blueskies schrieb:


Thanks for the post and the reality check. Things are not the same as they used to be...

how true ... :-)))))
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/odd_beer_run_arrests


#m
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I am not a terrorist http://www.casualdisobedience.com/

"Steve Schneider" wrote in message
...

One of the advantages of flying is that you can pack so much more into
your weekends. Last weekend was a typically busy one for us. We had plenty
to do around the house, I had to help a neighbor move, and we had a dinner
to help with at the Fallbrook Air Park (L18) for some 80 odd people -- oh,
and we needed to fly out to Phoenix to pick the kids up from a several
week long visit with their grandparents since school is starting soon. I
posted about the eventful trip when we dropped them
off in Sacramento under the "Flew home and boy are my arms tired!" thread.

I'd been trying to convince my wife that we should fly out on Saturday
night after the airport dinner, but she wanted to wait until Sunday
morning -- no doubt so we could enjoy flying into the sun and landing in
112 degree heat once we got to Stellar Air Park (P19) in Chandler, AZ.

When I got back from helping the neighbor move, with just about an hour to
go before we had to be at the airport to help with the dinner, my wife
says, 'Your right. Lets fly out tonight.' So with little time to spare, I
get my DUAT briefing, file a flight plan (guessing at when we'll be done
cleaning up from the airport dinner event), and gather my flight gear.

It was just after 9PM when we finished cleaning up from the dinner and we
got in the air. I opened my flight plan and enjoyed the fairly calm air
for the flight over the desert. By the time we were approaching Phoenix,
there wasn't any moonlight to illuminate the terrain.

Now typically I'll just start descending near Buckeye (BXK) and slip under
the TCA -- oops dating myself -- Class Bravo with an adequate height over
the Estrella Mountains just south of Phoenix International Raceway. As we
reached Buckeye, I could easily see across the Phoenix metropolitan area.
Visibility was excellent, and there was very little air traffic. However
with the limited terrain visibility from lack of moonlight, I figured it
would be expedient to call approach and ask for Bravo clearance to Stellar
rather than trying to sneak over the mountains and under the Phoenix Bravo
airspace.

Well, approach had me descend from 11.5 to 5.5 and vectored me towards the
south end of the Estrella Mountains. As I got handed off I asked the new
controller if I could turn inbound? Am I cleared into Bravo? No. No. No.
Eventually they turned me inbound and had me descend under the Bravo
airspace. Thanks for nothing. Could have done that myself and saved 15 or
20 minutes of flying time. As quiet as the airpsace was, I was astounded
that they couldn't accomdate us and sent us so far to the south. I've
never had a request refused in San Diego's Bravo airspace --
I guess we're spoiled out here.

So Approach finally released me to my "...own navigation, squak VFR, Good
Night." a few miles south of Firebird Lake and well under their
airspace -- which, did I mention, we never got to enter. My wife and I
vented about how useless the approach controllers had been as I proceed to
Firebird and inbound to Stellar -- calling my position on CTAF at
Firebird, crosswind, downwind, base and final. We landed just after 11PM.


What did Approach say was the purpose of the vectors?

On Aug 27, 4:05 pm, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:
"Tater" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Aug 24, 11:56 am, Steve Schneider wrote:
I
suggested that perhaps he should talk to the three folks from the other
plane who they completely missed when they came storming down the ramp.
That suggestion fell on deaf ears -- as if I was trying to deflect
suspicion elsewhere.

My father in-law tried to explain to one of the
other officers that this sounded like the behavior he saw from the other
plane as they were waiting for us to arrive. Eventually a resident of
the airpark -- who in fact had called the police -- finally stepped
forward and helped sort things out. He had heard me call in over
Firebird, and knew I wasn't the pilot they wanted. The one officer still
stayed on me for quite a while -- long after his buddies had focused on
the other plane.

File a lawsuit, extended harrasment. incompetence. get them fired.

Morons like that should not be allowed to have guns or authority

Yeah, right.

This was in Chandler, where one cop (Lovelace) managed to get one innocent
bystander killed during a high speed pursuit, then killed a lady for an
illegal prescription.

Chandler PD is both corrupt and grossly inept (according to my BIL who lives
net door in Gilbert/Power Ranch (whose PD is even worse).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So you don't live in Chandler, AZ and neither, in fact, does your BIL
yet you both are qualified to make this judgement, how?

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

"Jay Beckman" wrote in message
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On Aug 27, 4:05 pm, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:
"Tater" wrote in message


Yeah, right.

This was in Chandler, where one cop (Lovelace) managed to get one
innocent
bystander killed during a high speed pursuit, then killed a lady for an
illegal prescription.

Chandler PD is both corrupt and grossly inept (according to my BIL who
lives
net door in Gilbert/Power Ranch (whose PD is even worse).- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

So you don't live in Chandler, AZ and neither, in fact, does your BIL
yet you both are qualified to make this judgement, how?

And what does "living there" have to do with it? I don't live in NY or NJ
but I know they're incipiently corrupt, just as I've never dealt with the
UN, but I know they're the model of _corrupt_.

"Matt Barrow" :
This was in Chandler, where one cop (Lovelace) managed
to get one innocent bystander killed during a high speed
pursuit, then killed a lady for an illegal prescription.

Chandler PD is both corrupt and grossly inept (according to
my BIL who lives net door in Gilbert/Power Ranch (whose PD
is even worse).- Hide quoted text

Jay Beckman wrote:
So you don't live in Chandler, AZ and neither, in fact, does your
BIL yet you both are qualified to make this judgement, how?

Does being a resident of a city qualify someone to make those kinds of
accusations? I'd like to know what police dept *doesn't* have incidents
where things turned out badly and could have been handled more
efficiently. And how many incidents are handled well, solved, and have a
positive outcome that don't make the nightly news and are taken for
granted by residents? Always amazes me how an entire operation can be
labeled as "corrupt and grossly inept" by a couple of splashy nightly
news clips of unfortunate incidents.