When to descend

You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach."

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF


When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude?

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

In a previous article, "Dan Luke" said:
You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach."

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF


When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude?

Good question. What does "established" mean on GPS approach? I'm
guessing they said that because they don't want you to descend to the
sector altitude (2700) when you hit 30nm out, so I guess I'd wait until
crossing UDUZI and descend to 2000. In a T182, I'm guessing you'd need to
make at least 1000 fpm to get to 2000 before UGMAH.


--
Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/
....I've discovered the one thing worse than people who open attachments
from people they don't know. People who delete files when instructed
by people they don't know. -- Michael

Dan Luke wrote:

You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach."

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF


When do you descend below 4,000



Anytime after UDUZI.


and to what altitude?


At or above 2000

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach."

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF


When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude?


30 miles from UDUZI, 2700 MSL.

On 10/09/07 08:09, Dan Luke wrote:
You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach."

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF


When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude?


UDUZI is the IAF, so once you're cleared for the approach, and you reach
the IAF, you fly the altitudes prescribed by the approach. For the leg
from UDUZI to UGMAH, that would be at or above 2000'.

I assume your question is due to the sector altitude of 2500 in the
region from UGMAH NW, between the 140 and 185 from UGMAH? Otherwise,
perhaps you could explain what it is about the plate that leaves you
with a question?


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Newps wrote:


Dan Luke wrote:

You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach."

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF


When do you descend below 4,000




Anytime after UDUZI.


and to what altitude?


At or above 2000

wrong

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach."

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF


When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude?



30 miles from UDUZI, 2700 MSL.


correct.

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 10/09/07 08:09, Dan Luke wrote:

You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach."

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF


When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude?



UDUZI is the IAF, so once you're cleared for the approach, and you reach
the IAF, you fly the altitudes prescribed by the approach. For the leg
from UDUZI to UGMAH, that would be at or above 2000'.

I assume your question is due to the sector altitude of 2500 in the
region from UGMAH NW, between the 140 and 185 from UGMAH? Otherwise,
perhaps you could explain what it is about the plate that leaves you
with a question?


Assuming he is arriving between the UDUZI 185 bearing and the UGMAH 095
bearing (the TAA left base sector, AIM 5-4-5-d) he can descend to 2700
crossing 30 ATD from UDUZI. Then, once crossing UDUZI the altitude is
2,000.

On Oct 9, 8:22 am, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
In a previous article, "Dan Luke" said:

You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach."

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF

When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude?

Good question. What does "established" mean on GPS approach?

As soon as you are on a charted segment of the approach as depicted.

-Robert, CFII

On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:09:26 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote:

You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach."

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF


When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude?

Coming from the NE, you may descend to 2700' after crossing 30 NM from
UDUZI (in the Left Base Area of the TAA).

Since there seems to be some variation in the responses to your question,
here is the relevant AIM paragraph:

Pilots entering the TAA and cleared by air traffic control, are expected
to proceed directly to the IAF associated with that area of the TAA at the
altitude depicted, unless otherwise cleared by air traffic control. Cleared
direct to an Initial Approach Fix (IAF) without a clearance for the
procedure does not authorize a pilot to descend to a lower TAA altitude.

Perhaps the controller should have said "...maintain 4000 until entering
the TAA". But I think his intent is clear. If he wanted you at 4000 until
crossing UDUZI, he should have either stated that explicitly, or not
cleared you for the approach.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)