FYI: Dec 12 MythBusters: Airplane Hour

On Dec 14, 10:14 am, pittss1c wrote:
Really?
Who cares?

I don't think anybody here really cares, but it would be undeniably
cool to see an aeroplane hurtling down a massive treadmill.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ross wrote in news:X5g8j.3$E14.1@dfw-
service2.ext.ray.com:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ross wrote in
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F. Baum wrote:

On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:


What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any person
with some level experience with a cockpit display can control an
airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the experience to
describe the cockpit and give useful instruction in how to manually
fly with the autopilot or where the switches are located, or how to
use the radio to even start the "rescue."

Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off on
how
to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that?

Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land
the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see
how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were
amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they
did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with
some
of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment"
value but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked
down in an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA
after the pilot became incapacitated.
FB
I had the opportunity to "fly" a American Airlines F-100 in their
full
motion simulator with an instructor. He was able to talk me through a
landing at O'Hare Airport without crashing the airplane. However,
without someone familiar with the aircraft the intimidation of the
lights, buttons, dials, radios, switches, etc would overwhelm anyone.


And that's only a little fartbox of a jet!


Bertie

Yea, but it was fun for me since it was my first time!

Oh yeah. I didn't mean that. but here's an experienced pilot in a
relatively simple jet having a bit of a time doing it and yet anthony
thinks he can do it because he made his own sim out of cornflakes boxes
and a playstation..

Bertie


Reminds me of my first time in a full flight simulator, 12 years ago.

During the course of my pilot training, the school organized an visit to
a flight simulator manufacturer.

Each student got a chance to shoot an approach in a CRJ FFS. At that
point of our training, we all had over 100 hours, all had our private
pilot license and where on our way to our commercial.

The guy trying it out just before me was doing the bush-pilot
specialization, and had time in light singles, and in a Cessna 185, on
wheel and on float. He overcontroled the aircraft so much on short
final, he basically rolled it and crashed on the runway.

Me (with multi-engine experience), I managed to put the aircraft down
correctly, only to roll pass the end of the runway thanks to not
applying enough brake pressure and/or engaging the thrust reverser too late.

Goes to show that it's not as easy as it might seem.

Ross wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ross wrote in
:

F. Baum wrote:

On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:


What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any person
with some level experience with a cockpit display can control an
airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the experience to
describe the cockpit and give useful instruction in how to manually
fly with the autopilot or where the switches are located, or how to
use the radio to even start the "rescue."

Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off on how
to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that?


Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land
the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see
how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were
amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they
did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with some
of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment"
value but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked
down in an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA
after the pilot became incapacitated.
FB

I had the opportunity to "fly" a American Airlines F-100 in their full
motion simulator with an instructor. He was able to talk me through a
landing at O'Hare Airport without crashing the airplane. However,
without someone familiar with the aircraft the intimidation of the
lights, buttons, dials, radios, switches, etc would overwhelm anyone.



And that's only a little fartbox of a jet!

Bertie


Yea, but it was fun for me since it was my first time!


My first time was in the back of a Nash.

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote:
Ross wrote:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Ross wrote in
:

F. Baum wrote:

On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:


What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any person
with some level experience with a cockpit display can control an
airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the experience to
describe the cockpit and give useful instruction in how to manually
fly with the autopilot or where the switches are located, or how to
use the radio to even start the "rescue."

Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off on how
to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that?


Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land
the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see
how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were
amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they
did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with some
of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment"
value but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked
down in an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA
after the pilot became incapacitated.
FB


I had the opportunity to "fly" a American Airlines F-100 in their full
motion simulator with an instructor. He was able to talk me through
a landing at O'Hare Airport without crashing the airplane. However,
without someone familiar with the aircraft the intimidation of the
lights, buttons, dials, radios, switches, etc would overwhelm anyone.



And that's only a little fartbox of a jet!

Bertie


Yea, but it was fun for me since it was my first time!


My first time was in the back of a Nash.


My parents had a Nash. And it took a little longer for this tread to
derail.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:20:15 -0800 (PST), buttman
wrote:

On Dec 8, 9:32 pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
"Jamie and Adam take wing to test if a person with no flight training can
safely land an airplane and if a plane can take off from a conveyor belt
speeding in the opposite direction. Tory, Grant, and Kari jump on some
Hollywood-inspired skydiving myths."

Quoted from the Discovery channel schedule:http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedule...=1.13056.24704....

(My local paper's weekly TV schedule has just the brief summary "Landing a
747" so I presume the plane they attempt to land without training is a 747.
Will be interesting to see if they try the real thing and are not limited
to a simulator.)

I'm really anxious to see this episode, because apparently they filmed
the treadmill myth at my home airport.

That one wasn't even mentioned.

Roger (K8RI)

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Ross wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ross wrote in
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F. Baum wrote:

On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:


What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any person
with some level experience with a cockpit display can control an
airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the experience to
describe the cockpit and give useful instruction in how to manually
fly with the autopilot or where the switches are located, or how to
use the radio to even start the "rescue."

Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off on how
to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that?


Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land
the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see
how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were
amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they
did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with some
of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment"
value but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked
down in an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA
after the pilot became incapacitated.
FB

I had the opportunity to "fly" a American Airlines F-100 in their full
motion simulator with an instructor. He was able to talk me through a
landing at O'Hare Airport without crashing the airplane. However,
without someone familiar with the aircraft the intimidation of the
lights, buttons, dials, radios, switches, etc would overwhelm anyone.



And that's only a little fartbox of a jet!

Bertie


Yea, but it was fun for me since it was my first time!


My first time was in the back of a Nash.

--
Dudley Henriques


What's a "Nash" ? ........ ;^)

,The younger generation

muff528 wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Ross wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ross wrote in
:

F. Baum wrote:

On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:


What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any person
with some level experience with a cockpit display can control an
airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the experience to
describe the cockpit and give useful instruction in how to manually
fly with the autopilot or where the switches are located, or how to
use the radio to even start the "rescue."

Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off on how
to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that?

Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land
the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see
how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were
amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they
did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with some
of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment"
value but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked
down in an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA
after the pilot became incapacitated.
FB
I had the opportunity to "fly" a American Airlines F-100 in their full
motion simulator with an instructor. He was able to talk me through a
landing at O'Hare Airport without crashing the airplane. However,
without someone familiar with the aircraft the intimidation of the
lights, buttons, dials, radios, switches, etc would overwhelm anyone.


And that's only a little fartbox of a jet!

Bertie

Yea, but it was fun for me since it was my first time!

My first time was in the back of a Nash.

--
Dudley Henriques


What's a "Nash" ? ........ ;^)

,The younger generation



Hell, I could have said "La Salle". Man, I AM getting older!!!!! :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Ross wrote:


Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land
the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see
how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were
amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they did
show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with some of
it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment" value
but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked down in
an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA after the
pilot became incapacitated.
FB



I had the opportunity to "fly" a American Airlines F-100 in their full
motion simulator with an instructor. He was able to talk me through a
landing at O'Hare Airport without crashing the airplane. However,
without someone familiar with the aircraft the intimidation of the
lights, buttons, dials, radios, switches, etc would overwhelm anyone.


Oh, BTW, at the time I probably had about 800 hours and I have a
CPSEL/IA. However I fly for self entertainment


I have several thousand hours in simulators.
I taught on Navy sims in my second military career.

Golly, TA-4, T2C, F4, F14, F18.

T37, T38, F16, F18 Airforce sims.

National Guard F100 and F101

American Airlined (Global Graphics actually) 727 and 747.

They are the absolute best toys on hte planet!

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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muff528 wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Ross wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ross wrote in
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F. Baum wrote:

On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:


What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any person
with some level experience with a cockpit display can control an
airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the experience to
describe the cockpit and give useful instruction in how to manually
fly with the autopilot or where the switches are located, or how to
use the radio to even start the "rescue."

Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off on
how
to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that?

Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land
the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see
how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were
amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they
did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with
some
of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment"
value but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked
down in an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA
after the pilot became incapacitated.
FB
I had the opportunity to "fly" a American Airlines F-100 in their
full
motion simulator with an instructor. He was able to talk me through a
landing at O'Hare Airport without crashing the airplane. However,
without someone familiar with the aircraft the intimidation of the
lights, buttons, dials, radios, switches, etc would overwhelm anyone.


And that's only a little fartbox of a jet!

Bertie

Yea, but it was fun for me since it was my first time!

My first time was in the back of a Nash.

--
Dudley Henriques


What's a "Nash" ? ........ ;^)

,The younger generation

Hell, I could have said "La Salle". Man, I AM getting older!!!!! :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Sorry, but at 57 I'm rapidly approaching middle age, so I thought I'd take
whatever shots I could before it's too late. .........(OMG, It's not too
late is it ?!? I can't really be sure because this is as old as I've ever
been!)

BTW- Was it a Nash or a LaSalle? You probably need to get this one right!

BS, TP

muff528 wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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muff528 wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Ross wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Ross wrote in
:

F. Baum wrote:

On Dec 13, 12:06 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:


What they showed with landing the NASA simulator is that any person
with some level experience with a cockpit display can control an
airliner. Most FAA controllers would not have the experience to
describe the cockpit and give useful instruction in how to manually
fly with the autopilot or where the switches are located, or how to
use the radio to even start the "rescue."

Maybe they should have an in-flight movie before each take-off on
how
to fly the airplane, do you think TSA would allow that?

Jim, I caught just the parts of the show where J and A tried to land
the plane with some coaching from the sim instructor (Mainly to see
how the instructor would do this). These portions of the show were
amazingly brief (Possibly for security reasons ?) . The stuff they
did show was scary and I doubt they could have gotten awhay with
some
of it in a real plane. I do watch the show for its "Infotaiment"
value but I remain unconvinced that someone could actually be talked
down in an airliner. I think it has been tried a time or two in GA
after the pilot became incapacitated.
FB
I had the opportunity to "fly" a American Airlines F-100 in their
full
motion simulator with an instructor. He was able to talk me through a
landing at O'Hare Airport without crashing the airplane. However,
without someone familiar with the aircraft the intimidation of the
lights, buttons, dials, radios, switches, etc would overwhelm anyone.

And that's only a little fartbox of a jet!

Bertie

Yea, but it was fun for me since it was my first time!

My first time was in the back of a Nash.

--
Dudley Henriques

What's a "Nash" ? ........ ;^)

,The younger generation
Hell, I could have said "La Salle". Man, I AM getting older!!!!! :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Sorry, but at 57 I'm rapidly approaching middle age, so I thought I'd take
whatever shots I could before it's too late. .........(OMG, It's not too
late is it ?!? I can't really be sure because this is as old as I've ever
been!)

BTW- Was it a Nash or a LaSalle? You probably need to get this one right!

BS, TP


Actually the very first time WAS the LaSalle. The BEST first time was
the Nash. (I'm used to relative thinking:-)

--
Dudley Henriques