Tricky examiners

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Some Other Guy wrote in
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dVaridel wrote:

One local Test Officer has a reputation of asking PPL candidates to
"keep going, lets see if make it" during the simulated forced landing
to a paddock in the exam. Drop below 500 AGL and BAM ...... test
over.

As the PIC you aren't allowed below 500' (unless taking off, landing,
training for a rating or crashing), and you have shown poor judgement
in allowing your "passenger" to goad you into low flying.

Tough but real worldish.
Where I live, when you take an automobile driving test you are told
clearly at the start "the examiner *will never ask you to do anything
illegal*".

Ine of mine did. i was going too slow to suit him.

He told me I failed, told me i needed more practice. I told him I'd been
driving for years on several continents. He asked me why I was n several
continents and I told him I flew a 737 for a living.
he gave me the licence.
Is this not the case for a PPL exam? If so, I'm astounded.
That could lead to some very dangerous situations.

Hmmm, better not get into those stories!


Bertie
I have a great one.
Got stopped with my wife on I95 one night. I had just had my new
Corvette tuned and was checking it out.
The Police pulled me over and two cops came walking up to the driver's
window. They looked like Abbott and Costello. One was real tall and the
other one was built like a fire plug. The tall one I guess was trying to
be a wise guy with the Vette as I was well over a hundred when I went
through the radar gun. He leaned down and looked in the window and
calmly asked to see my pilot's license.
You can guess what happened next. The fire plug guy broke up laughing,
slapped the tall one on the back and said something about using that one
once too often.
Anyway...I won't tell you what it cost me, but FWIW, if a cop ever asks
to see your pilot's license, for God sake, don't show it to him :-)))

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Some Other Guy wrote in
:

dVaridel wrote:

One local Test Officer has a reputation of asking PPL candidates to
"keep going, lets see if make it" during the simulated forced
landing to a paddock in the exam. Drop below 500 AGL and BAM
...... test over.

As the PIC you aren't allowed below 500' (unless taking off,
landing, training for a rating or crashing), and you have shown
poor judgement in allowing your "passenger" to goad you into low
flying.

Tough but real worldish.
Where I live, when you take an automobile driving test you are told
clearly at the start "the examiner *will never ask you to do
anything illegal*".

Ine of mine did. i was going too slow to suit him.

He told me I failed, told me i needed more practice. I told him I'd
been driving for years on several continents. He asked me why I was n
several continents and I told him I flew a 737 for a living.
he gave me the licence.
Is this not the case for a PPL exam? If so, I'm astounded.
That could lead to some very dangerous situations.

Hmmm, better not get into those stories!


Bertie
I have a great one.
Got stopped with my wife on I95 one night. I had just had my new
Corvette tuned and was checking it out.
The Police pulled me over and two cops came walking up to the driver's
window. They looked like Abbott and Costello. One was real tall and
the other one was built like a fire plug. The tall one I guess was
trying to be a wise guy with the Vette as I was well over a hundred
when I went through the radar gun. He leaned down and looked in the
window and calmly asked to see my pilot's license.
You can guess what happened next. The fire plug guy broke up laughing,
slapped the tall one on the back and said something about using that
one once too often.
Anyway...I won't tell you what it cost me, but FWIW, if a cop ever
asks to see your pilot's license, for God sake, don't show it to him
:-)))

Never would, but I got stopped in uniform doing about 85 once and the
guy asked me "getting airborne a little early aren;t we, captain?"
he let me go!

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Never would, but I got stopped in uniform doing about 85 once and the
guy asked me "getting airborne a little early aren;t we, captain?"
he let me go!

Sounds more likely to happen in a bar around here, given some history
with NW pilots...

Rich Ahrens wrote in news:47803883$0$27488
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Never would, but I got stopped in uniform doing about 85 once and the
guy asked me "getting airborne a little early aren;t we, captain?"
he let me go!

Sounds more likely to happen in a bar around here, given some history
with NW pilots...


There's been a lot of that lately!


Bertie

"dVaridel" wrote in message u...

As the PIC you aren't allowed below 500' (unless taking off, landing, training for a rating or crashing), and you have
shown poor judgement in allowing your "passenger" to goad you into low flying.

Tough but real worldish.



No issue flying all day long below 500' agl here in the states, as long as you stay away from persons or property and
are not over a 'congested' area...

"Blueskies" wrote
"dVaridel" wrote
As the PIC you aren't allowed below 500' (unless taking off, landing,
training for a rating or crashing), and you have shown poor judgement in
allowing your "passenger" to goad you into low flying.

No issue flying all day long below 500' agl here in the states, as long as
you stay away from persons or property and are not over a 'congested'
area...

::chuckle::

The rules are not below 500' AGL yadda yadda ...... but ..... well ......
big country with a small population so ...... :-)


Cheers,

David

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A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

One local Test Officer has a reputation of asking PPL candidates to "keep
going, lets see if make it" during the simulated forced landing to a
paddock in the exam. Drop below 500 AGL and BAM ...... test over.

As the PIC you aren't allowed below 500' (unless taking off, landing,
training for a rating or crashing), and you have shown poor judgement in
allowing your "passenger" to goad you into low flying.

Tough but real worldish.

Well, your premise is incorrect. As the PIC you are allowed to fly from
California to Maine with your wheels an inch above the terrain so long as
you 91.119(c) stay 500' away from any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.

And they aren't a "Test Officer". They are a Designated Examiner. Somehow
I think this is a troll thread. Name the guy. Name the FSDO from which he
operates.

Until then, I suggest we let this thread drop.



Where I live, when you take an automobile driving test you are told
clearly
at the start "the examiner *will never ask you to do anything illegal*".

Is this not the case for a PPL exam? If so, I'm astounded.
That could lead to some very dangerous situations.


As a retired examiner, I can tell you that you cannot ask or require the
examinee to do anything illegal. Now he can ASK would you fly below xxx
altitude around here? And if the answer was yes and clearly illegal, then
you are correct, exam over. But to trick, coerce, or otherwise act as the
cop behind the billboard is clearly against FAA ops standards.

Jim

RST Engineering wrote:
One local Test Officer has a reputation of asking PPL candidates to "keep
going, lets see if make it" during the simulated forced landing to a
paddock in the exam. Drop below 500 AGL and BAM ...... test over.

As the PIC you aren't allowed below 500' (unless taking off, landing,
training for a rating or crashing), and you have shown poor judgement in
allowing your "passenger" to goad you into low flying.

Tough but real worldish.

Well, your premise is incorrect. As the PIC you are allowed to fly from
California to Maine with your wheels an inch above the terrain so long as
you 91.119(c) stay 500' away from any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.

And they aren't a "Test Officer". They are a Designated Examiner. Somehow
I think this is a troll thread. Name the guy. Name the FSDO from which he
operates.

Until then, I suggest we let this thread drop.


Where I live, when you take an automobile driving test you are told
clearly
at the start "the examiner *will never ask you to do anything illegal*".

Is this not the case for a PPL exam? If so, I'm astounded.
That could lead to some very dangerous situations.


As a retired examiner, I can tell you that you cannot ask or require the
examinee to do anything illegal. Now he can ASK would you fly below xxx
altitude around here? And if the answer was yes and clearly illegal, then
you are correct, exam over. But to trick, coerce, or otherwise act as the
cop behind the billboard is clearly against FAA ops standards.

Jim


I agree. I've known many examiners through my career in aviation both
designated and FAA. I've known very few what I would call "bad" examiners.
Many examiners develop their pet ways of stressing this or that with an
applicant, but I can't remember ever dealing with an examiner who used
illegal or even devious means to make an applicant fail a flight test.
In fact, many of the examiners I knew and know today are the type who
enjoy the work to the point where once a decision has been made that the
applicant will pass the flight test, they will use the remaining time to
"teach" a bit and share with the applicant the good feelings associated
with the moment of passing the flight test.

--
Dudley Henriques

I've carried this process on to my third career as a college professor. I
teach a college vocational education ("shop") electronics class and I tell
my students right on the first night that they have an "A" in the class and
the only way they can get an "F" is to not complete the class project or
drop the class and not attend.

"Don't worry about your grade. You've got an A. You are here to learn, not
to get a grade. If you don't understand I'll help you or I'll assign one of
the students that DO understand to help you if I'm occupied. We aren't
going to move on to the next part of the project until everybody has
completed the first part. If you've completed the first part, help somebody
who hasn't completed it so we can all move on. The only thing the folks who
finish the project first get are the first pieces of pizza the last night of
the class."

Jim

In fact, many of the examiners I knew and know today are the type who
enjoy the work to the point where once a decision has been made that the
applicant will pass the flight test, they will use the remaining time to
"teach" a bit and share with the applicant the good feelings associated
with the moment of passing the flight test.

--
Dudley Henriques

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
RST Engineering wrote:
One local Test Officer has a reputation of asking PPL candidates to
"keep
going, lets see if make it" during the simulated forced landing to a
paddock in the exam. Drop below 500 AGL and BAM ...... test over.

As the PIC you aren't allowed below 500' (unless taking off, landing,
training for a rating or crashing), and you have shown poor judgement
in
allowing your "passenger" to goad you into low flying.

Tough but real worldish.

Well, your premise is incorrect. As the PIC you are allowed to fly from
California to Maine with your wheels an inch above the terrain so long as
you 91.119(c) stay 500' away from any person, vessel, vehicle, or
structure.

And they aren't a "Test Officer". They are a Designated Examiner.
Somehow I think this is a troll thread. Name the guy. Name the FSDO
from which he operates.

Until then, I suggest we let this thread drop.


Where I live, when you take an automobile driving test you are told
clearly
at the start "the examiner *will never ask you to do anything illegal*".

Is this not the case for a PPL exam? If so, I'm astounded.
That could lead to some very dangerous situations.


As a retired examiner, I can tell you that you cannot ask or require the
examinee to do anything illegal. Now he can ASK would you fly below xxx
altitude around here? And if the answer was yes and clearly illegal,
then you are correct, exam over. But to trick, coerce, or otherwise act
as the cop behind the billboard is clearly against FAA ops standards.

Jim
I agree. I've known many examiners through my career in aviation both
designated and FAA. I've known very few what I would call "bad" examiners.
Many examiners develop their pet ways of stressing this or that with an
applicant, but I can't remember ever dealing with an examiner who used
illegal or even devious means to make an applicant fail a flight test.
In fact, many of the examiners I knew and know today are the type who
enjoy the work to the point where once a decision has been made that the
applicant will pass the flight test, they will use the remaining time to
"teach" a bit and share with the applicant the good feelings associated
with the moment of passing the flight test.

--
Dudley Henriques