Europe as joke

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, "Mike"
blurted out:

But we did NOT agree with you in Iraq.Is it really completely impossible for
an american to accept other peoples not to agree with them?

Not all americans...many of us (americans) understand that friends
will disagree from time to time. Many americans appreciate the
difference of opinion.

You don't cease telling here day after day,stupidity after stupidity,post
after post,you don't need us,we are weak,we are stupid,we are useless,
we are unable,and so on...
Okay,if that's what you think!
But now that you're asking for assistance,just open your mind enough,if
that's possible,to admit we have difficulties in accepting.
Nevertheless,we let your resolution be accepted in th UN a few weeks
ago,even if we did not agree with it,in order not to create you more
difficulties that you have.
Still,why do you need assistance from people like us?we are uselless you say
in the same time...nothing is coherent.

An excellent observation, but many american posters cannot or will not
see the paradox. Clearly this is a "no win" for europeans.

Whatever we do,or don't,whatever we say,or don't,we are wrong,and insulted
to be so!Is it the right way to treat countries you need assistance from you
know.
The true is really simple.You only agre with people that agree with you,and
obey,even when you're wrong!

Amen! C'est vrai mon ami. Pardonez moi, ma francaise...(sucks), quand
j'étais jeune j'ai habité en Evreux-Fauville (1961-63). Und drei jahre
in Deutschland, saugt mein deutsche auch (1981-84).

I can't read either now...

Juvat

In message , Mike
writes
Why not?
We didn't ask Clinton and the US to intervene.

We did, but we also asked them to either get in or get out but to stop
piously denying any responsibility or involvement while also funnelling
arms and support into the region.

Help was welcome.
You helped,that's a fact.But we should have fixed it without your help.

Should have, but didn't.

One consequence of the US non-involved involvement was that the Serbs
were emboldened that the US and the Europeans lacked the will and means
to do anything decisive, while the Bosnians were falsely led to believe
that the US involvement would grow into positive open support and so
they could reject interim deals in the hope of a better solution with US
muscle backing them.

There was one key difference between Vance-Owen and Dayton: the Bosnians
believed that they could reject Vance-Owen and hold out until the US
came in on their side against those horrible Serbs. US actions leading
up to Dayton made it clear that (a) they would stand by this deal, (b)
this was the best their erstwhile allies would get.


It was a complicated and nasty war, with some ugly ramifications all
around; and anyone trying to reduce it to a soundbite is usually either
misinformed or flat out lying.

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"Juvat" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, "Mike"
blurted out:

But we did NOT agree with you in Iraq.Is it really completely impossible
for
an american to accept other peoples not to agree with them?

Not all americans...many of us (americans) understand that friends
will disagree from time to time. Many americans appreciate the
difference of opinion.

Ture.Mea culpa.

You don't cease telling here day after day,stupidity after stupidity,post
after post,you don't need us,we are weak,we are stupid,we are useless,
we are unable,and so on...
Okay,if that's what you think!
But now that you're asking for assistance,just open your mind enough,if
that's possible,to admit we have difficulties in accepting.
Nevertheless,we let your resolution be accepted in th UN a few weeks
ago,even if we did not agree with it,in order not to create you more
difficulties that you have.
Still,why do you need assistance from people like us?we are uselless you
say
in the same time...nothing is coherent.

An excellent observation, but many american posters cannot or will not
see the paradox. Clearly this is a "no win" for europeans.

Whatever we do,or don't,whatever we say,or don't,we are wrong,and
insulted
to be so!Is it the right way to treat countries you need assistance from
you
know.
The true is really simple.You only agre with people that agree with
you,and
obey,even when you're wrong!

Amen! C'est vrai mon ami. Pardonez moi, ma francaise...(sucks), quand
j'étais jeune j'ai habité en Evreux-Fauville (1961-63). Und drei jahre
in Deutschland, saugt mein deutsche auch (1981-84).

I can't read either now...

Juvat
;-)

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:03:10 +0100, Ralph Savelsberg wrote:

In fact, at least according to an opinion poll in this morning's
newspaper, right now there only is one EU country in which a majority of
the people aren't opposed to sending troops (namely Denmark). In all EU
countries that sent troops (Including Spain, the UK and The Netherlands)
the majority of the population is against it. Of course, opinion polls
should be taken with a grain of salt (though politicians certainly watch
them) but the US ought to consider itself lucky that at least some of
those countries sent troops, if not for the numbers but for a semblance
of international support.

Regards,
Ralph Savelsberg


No problem, screw the EU. We do not need nor want the likes of your
countries as allies.

We are through bailing out Europe.

Al Minyard

In article ,
"Mike" wrote:

Reading your posts,i realise you'r still the most stupid person
here,Mr.Irby.

Go buy a sense of humor...

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

If unanimity isn't possible, that doesn't prevent individual NATO
members form acting, either individually or together -- there are
plenty of examples of this.

Which is also possible without being tied down to an expensive and thus,
useless alliance. What purpose would NATO serve if it was *never* able to take
any action?

I would point out that the USA is hardly likely to want to change
NATO from unanimity to majority voting, since all except 2 or 3
(depending how you count) members of NATO are European.


However, European nations seldom (if ever) speak with a unified voice.
Abandoning unanimity would prevent France, Germany and Belgium (the three
biggest obstructions to concise and decisive action) from stopping action that
16 other nations may feel is in their best interest to do. Yeah, yeah, those 16
other nations can still act, but if they're going to, what's the point of
having the NATO alliance?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

On a completely unrelated note, I noticed that JASSM appears to have
been released for operations. When's the B-52 slated to get an
operational capability?

I believe this spring.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Possibly, but what do you really expect from France and Germany?

No interference. We don't expect (and in some cases want) direct military
assistance from either nation, but their continued public and "back room"
conduct at the UN, SHAPE and elsewhere is effecting other nations who may be
interested in helping.

Now you'd expect them to send troops there nonetheless?

No, but now that that force-on-force fighting is over, maybe they could stop
their continued public (and private) displays of displeasure and
uncooperativeness.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

The question is Irak,not Yougoslavia.


The question is involvement in a situation unrelated to your own national
security. Try to keep up.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

We didn't ask Clinton and the US to intervene.

Not true. In fact, not only did Clinton recieve numerous phone calls from
European leaders, several nations made public statements that tied the
existance of NATO to action in Yugoslavia.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"