Flight review

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:33:50 PM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
I checked with my insurance company.Â* They told me that, without a
current flight review, I would have no coverage.

On 4/21/2020 5:03 PM, wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 3:47:26 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
On 4/20/20 1:01 PM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
Check FAA.gov, I believe they have extended recerts due to recent virus stuff.....
Yes, wings points cover part of the "BFR"...

They provided some relief on medical certificates, but that's not
relevant for U.S. glider pilots.

https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=94991

How do the FAA expect pilots to know this? Are pilots expected to check the FAA website regularly?

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Dan, 5J

Dan I checked with my insurance company a couple of weeks ago. I was told that while my insurance policy would remain and not be cancelled by my need for a flight review, any claim I might make while I was out of flight review currency would be denied. Claims I might make after I had accomplished a flight review, even though that flight review would be "late", would be accepted for evaluation and not for the flight review reason denied.

How would the insurance company know I was not flight review current? The company would review my logbook when I filed a claim to ensure that I was current.

JP, I have another concern. My Flight Review is due May 31st. I'm supporting a 95 year old father visiting him once or twice a week, my wife is very concerned about my "co-mingling" with glider people and/or being in a two place glider and therefore not social distancing enough . If I were much younger and single, I'd probably take the risk if I can find a flight instructor (turned 70yrs old last November).

Single place flying and self rigging allows much safer social distancing, so I'm not as concerned about that, as long as I don't do any serious cross country or contest flying.

I'm wondering how the rest of you feel about this dilemma?

Certainly, insurance companies are not going to give any leeway if you have an accident.

I wonder how likely the FAA will be to give special consideration for flight reviews... waivers possibly for another year.

Not sure about getting wings points to substitute or extends a Flight Review. I think that still requires flight with an instructor.

Walt Rogers WX

Going back a few years, if a two seat glider was not available, ie...down for ‘maintenance’, a flight review could be accomplish by instructor/examiner observation from the ground only. I was informed of this in the 1980s by the FAA himself and took it as gospel. Even done a few myself. With social distancing all the rage now, something to ponder.
I would give the examinee a list of maneuvers to be performed over the field, on tow, etc. They had to be current, actively flying. I had to know them and their skill level. 1 high tow, 2 patterns...throw in a downwind landing.
No crash, you pass.
R

Going back a few years, if a two seat glider was not available, ie...down for ‘maintenance’, a flight review could be accomplish by instructor/examiner observation from the ground only. I was informed of this in the 1980s by the FAA himself and took it as gospel.

I wondered about that as well, nowdays with a radios and video cameras moving with pilots head, you might be able to do a pretty good flight review. But it needs good but also legal. The regs in 61.56 and 61.11 provide may some wiggle room (especially for glider pilots) but I'd want to see a letter from the FAA before depending on it. Seems like an SSA of AOPA thing?

or maybe all flight reviews could now be done on Condor. Heck, maybe Condor will be our only flight choice for the next few years?

Boggs

On 4/22/2020 7:02 AM, Waveguru wrote:
Heck, maybe Condor will be our only flight choice for the next few years?
To quote one of the passengers in the movie, "Airplane!"...
Sh-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-t...
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Dan, 5J

As a user of the FAA Wings program, I learned to my pleasant surprise
that my flight review had been extended from this month until the end of
February 2021. What a deal!

Dan,

It looks like to use Wings for the BFR, you need ground and flight credits.

Did you have some flight credits, and how did you get them?

Stu

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:18:30 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Going back a few years, if a two seat glider was not available, ie...down for ‘maintenance’, a flight review could be accomplish by instructor/examiner observation from the ground only. I was informed of this in the 1980s by the FAA himself and took it as gospel. Even done a few myself. With social distancing all the rage now, something to ponder.
I would give the examinee a list of maneuvers to be performed over the field, on tow, etc. They had to be current, actively flying. I had to know them and their skill level. 1 high tow, 2 patterns...throw in a downwind landing.
No crash, you pass.
R

That rule was created for initial pilot certificates not flight reviews unfortunately...

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:18:30 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Going back a few years, if a two seat glider was not available, ie...down for ‘maintenance’, a flight review could be accomplish by instructor/examiner observation from the ground only. I was informed of this in the 1980s by the FAA himself and took it as gospel. Even done a few myself. With social distancing all the rage now, something to ponder.
I would give the examinee a list of maneuvers to be performed over the field, on tow, etc. They had to be current, actively flying. I had to know them and their skill level. 1 high tow, 2 patterns...throw in a downwind landing.
No crash, you pass.
R

Alas after the long off-season followed by the covid-season, many pilots who formally need a FR are definitely not "current, actively flying". Some pilots in my club I would be confident in letting them do an observed solo flight, others not so much.

BTW the ground portion of the FR could be done via Zoom or such.