The end of the Naval Air Reserves???

"Michael Wise" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Giz" wrote:

"vzlion" wrote in message
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On 2 Jul 2003 18:12:34 -0700, (John Larson)
wrote:

It will be a sad day when the all these squadrons are gone. It was
fun
while it lasted. John Larson LCDR(Ret) VP-90 1984-1994, NAS Glenview
IL.


Big surprise. I thought Clinton was bad, Bush is even worse. He
already cut Veterans Benefits by millions of dollars while telling our
troops what a good job they are doing. Talk about 2-faced. At ther
rate he's going I won't be surprised
I've been a republican all my life, but I have to look at this
adminustration and ask "What has he done for the country?"

Walt
CPO, UNS, Ret.

He can't fix 8 years of abuse overnight.


How does slashing veterans benefits come anything close to approaching a
fix for what you call "8 years of abuse"? Face it, Bush Jr., like his
pappy, doesn't give two ****s about vets. He talks the armchair "Rah rah
military" talk from the safety and comfort of somebody from a family
wealthy and connected enough to ensure never being sent in harms
way...but at the end of the day, he's like the rest of those do-nothing
privileged stooges at the top and given the choice of protecting his the
already obscene profits of his lackey friends and contributors or
funding programs to benefit those who served their country and even shed
blood for it...will always side with his cronies.

Republican or Democrat, it makes no difference...servicemen are just
their pawns....although Republicans are pretty good about lying to deny
that.



--Mike

Whatever, believe it or not there are issues that we are more interested in
than
on base housing, larger pay raises, ect. I'd like parts to keep my bird in
the air
and FMC. The issues you speak of don't mean **** if we don't come back.
I'm
certainly not overpaid, but at the same time I'm not on foodstamps or know
any
who are. I know that they are out there, but they would be on foodstamps in
the civilian world as well. I hope better things for their future, but
first I want
the best equipment in the world to do my job. Would you want to show up
with the second best system? The Dems never talk about these issues, since
ultimately it means that some defense contractor (not my favorite people
either)
is going to make a profit. We should streamline our procurement system
some,
but what we shouldn't do is stop buying. Just the thoughts of a Naval
Aircrewman
in a platform facing some Clinton era budget issues.

Giz

In article ,
"Giz" wrote:


It will be a sad day when the all these squadrons are gone. It was
fun
while it lasted. John Larson LCDR(Ret) VP-90 1984-1994, NAS Glenview
IL.


Big surprise. I thought Clinton was bad, Bush is even worse. He
already cut Veterans Benefits by millions of dollars while telling our
troops what a good job they are doing. Talk about 2-faced. At ther
rate he's going I won't be surprised
I've been a republican all my life, but I have to look at this
adminustration and ask "What has he done for the country?"

Walt
CPO, UNS, Ret.

He can't fix 8 years of abuse overnight.


How does slashing veterans benefits come anything close to approaching a
fix for what you call "8 years of abuse"? Face it, Bush Jr., like his
pappy, doesn't give two ****s about vets. He talks the armchair "Rah rah
military" talk from the safety and comfort of somebody from a family
wealthy and connected enough to ensure never being sent in harms
way...but at the end of the day, he's like the rest of those do-nothing
privileged stooges at the top and given the choice of protecting his the
already obscene profits of his lackey friends and contributors or
funding programs to benefit those who served their country and even shed
blood for it...will always side with his cronies.

Republican or Democrat, it makes no difference...servicemen are just
their pawns....although Republicans are pretty good about lying to deny
that.



Whatever, believe it or not there are issues that we are more interested in
than
on base housing, larger pay raises, ect.


These are active duty issues; not veterans ones.


Veterans are more interested in keeping benfits or benefit eligibility
for something like a service-connected disability (maybe taking a bullet
or their country or permanent disability from any number of combatant or
peacetime functions).


I'd like parts to keep my bird in
the air
and FMC. The issues you speak of don't mean **** if we don't come back.
I'm
certainly not overpaid, but at the same time I'm not on foodstamps or know
any
who are. I know that they are out there,


Great, but we're talking about veterans here. Do you undertand the
difference between active duty and veteran? Veterans have already done
there time. It is they who Bush Jr., like his pappy before him, are
slashing benefits for,



the civilian world as well. I hope better things for their future, but
first I want
the best equipment in the world to do my job.
Would you want to show up
with the second best system? The Dems never talk about these issues, since
ultimately it means that some defense contractor (not my favorite people
either)
is going to make a profit.

Yes, and while active duty (bless their souls) eke on by....the civilian
fat cat defense industry makes a killing so that their CEO friends of
our politicians can send their kids, who would never stoop to the level
of taking arms for their country, to the best private schools where they
can booze up womanize up, graduate, and get some position of power where
they can, in the future, send somebody else's lower middle class and
lower classs kids to do the fighting and dying. They'll say nice things
about these kids while they're doing it...but will turn around and slash
their benefits at the blink of an eye.



We should streamline our procurement system
some,
but what we shouldn't do is stop buying. Just the thoughts of a Naval
Aircrewman
in a platform facing some Clinton era budget issues.


Well this former Naval Aircrewman is facing up to both Bush's budget
issues....like the increasing of Voc Rehab disabled vet entitlement from
10% to 20% for eligibility and much much more.



--Mike

"Michael Wise" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Giz" wrote:


It will be a sad day when the all these squadrons are gone. It
was
fun
while it lasted. John Larson LCDR(Ret) VP-90 1984-1994, NAS
Glenview
IL.


Big surprise. I thought Clinton was bad, Bush is even worse. He
already cut Veterans Benefits by millions of dollars while telling
our
troops what a good job they are doing. Talk about 2-faced. At ther
rate he's going I won't be surprised
I've been a republican all my life, but I have to look at this
adminustration and ask "What has he done for the country?"

Walt
CPO, UNS, Ret.

He can't fix 8 years of abuse overnight.


How does slashing veterans benefits come anything close to approaching
a
fix for what you call "8 years of abuse"? Face it, Bush Jr., like his
pappy, doesn't give two ****s about vets. He talks the armchair "Rah
rah
military" talk from the safety and comfort of somebody from a family
wealthy and connected enough to ensure never being sent in harms
way...but at the end of the day, he's like the rest of those
do-nothing
privileged stooges at the top and given the choice of protecting his
the
already obscene profits of his lackey friends and contributors or
funding programs to benefit those who served their country and even
shed
blood for it...will always side with his cronies.

Republican or Democrat, it makes no difference...servicemen are just
their pawns....although Republicans are pretty good about lying to
deny
that.



Whatever, believe it or not there are issues that we are more
interested in
than
on base housing, larger pay raises, ect.


These are active duty issues; not veterans ones.


Veterans are more interested in keeping benfits or benefit eligibility
for something like a service-connected disability (maybe taking a bullet
or their country or permanent disability from any number of combatant or
peacetime functions).


I'd like parts to keep my bird in
the air
and FMC. The issues you speak of don't mean **** if we don't come back.
I'm
certainly not overpaid, but at the same time I'm not on foodstamps or
know
any
who are. I know that they are out there,


Great, but we're talking about veterans here. Do you undertand the
difference between active duty and veteran? Veterans have already done
there time. It is they who Bush Jr., like his pappy before him, are
slashing benefits for,


You brought the veteran's issues into a thread that was discussing the
current and future state of Navy Air. Not exactly a "veteran's issue".
Thank you for your service and have a happy 4th, but if you can't
accept that this thread will follow along on the issues it is concerned
with, then find somewhere else to grind your axe or start a new thread.

Giz

In article ,
"Giz" wrote:


It will be a sad day when the all these squadrons are gone. It
was
fun
while it lasted. John Larson LCDR(Ret) VP-90 1984-1994, NAS
Glenview
IL.


Big surprise. I thought Clinton was bad, Bush is even worse. He
already cut Veterans Benefits by millions of dollars while telling
our
troops what a good job they are doing. Talk about 2-faced. At ther
rate he's going I won't be surprised
I've been a republican all my life, but I have to look at this
adminustration and ask "What has he done for the country?"

Walt
CPO, UNS, Ret.

He can't fix 8 years of abuse overnight.


How does slashing veterans benefits come anything close to approaching
a
fix for what you call "8 years of abuse"? Face it, Bush Jr., like his
pappy, doesn't give two ****s about vets. He talks the armchair "Rah
rah
military" talk from the safety and comfort of somebody from a family
wealthy and connected enough to ensure never being sent in harms
way...but at the end of the day, he's like the rest of those
do-nothing
privileged stooges at the top and given the choice of protecting his
the
already obscene profits of his lackey friends and contributors or
funding programs to benefit those who served their country and even
shed
blood for it...will always side with his cronies.

Republican or Democrat, it makes no difference...servicemen are just
their pawns....although Republicans are pretty good about lying to
deny
that.



Whatever, believe it or not there are issues that we are more
interested in
than
on base housing, larger pay raises, ect.


These are active duty issues; not veterans ones.


Veterans are more interested in keeping benfits or benefit eligibility
for something like a service-connected disability (maybe taking a bullet
or their country or permanent disability from any number of combatant or
peacetime functions).


I'd like parts to keep my bird in
the air
and FMC. The issues you speak of don't mean **** if we don't come back.
I'm
certainly not overpaid, but at the same time I'm not on foodstamps or
know
any
who are. I know that they are out there,


Great, but we're talking about veterans here. Do you undertand the
difference between active duty and veteran? Veterans have already done
there time. It is they who Bush Jr., like his pappy before him, are
slashing benefits for,


You brought the veteran's issues into a thread that was discussing the
current and future state of Navy Air. Not exactly a "veteran's issue".
Thank you for your service and have a happy 4th, but if you can't
accept that this thread will follow along on the issues it is concerned
with, then find somewhere else to grind your axe or start a new thread.


False, Walt brought veterans issues into the thread and I responded to
that. Thank you for your service as well, but if you're reading
comprehension skills are that off, perhaps you should avoid
participating in any thread.


--Mike

"Michael Wise" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Giz" wrote:


It will be a sad day when the all these squadrons are gone.
It
was
fun
while it lasted. John Larson LCDR(Ret) VP-90 1984-1994, NAS
Glenview
IL.


Big surprise. I thought Clinton was bad, Bush is even worse.
He
already cut Veterans Benefits by millions of dollars while
telling
our
troops what a good job they are doing. Talk about 2-faced. At
ther
rate he's going I won't be surprised
I've been a republican all my life, but I have to look at this
adminustration and ask "What has he done for the country?"

Walt
CPO, UNS, Ret.

He can't fix 8 years of abuse overnight.


How does slashing veterans benefits come anything close to
approaching
a
fix for what you call "8 years of abuse"? Face it, Bush Jr., like
his
pappy, doesn't give two ****s about vets. He talks the armchair
"Rah
rah
military" talk from the safety and comfort of somebody from a
family
wealthy and connected enough to ensure never being sent in harms
way...but at the end of the day, he's like the rest of those
do-nothing
privileged stooges at the top and given the choice of protecting
his
the
already obscene profits of his lackey friends and contributors or
funding programs to benefit those who served their country and
even
shed
blood for it...will always side with his cronies.

Republican or Democrat, it makes no difference...servicemen are
just
their pawns....although Republicans are pretty good about lying to
deny
that.



Whatever, believe it or not there are issues that we are more
interested in
than
on base housing, larger pay raises, ect.


These are active duty issues; not veterans ones.


Veterans are more interested in keeping benfits or benefit eligibility
for something like a service-connected disability (maybe taking a
bullet
or their country or permanent disability from any number of combatant
or
peacetime functions).


I'd like parts to keep my bird in
the air
and FMC. The issues you speak of don't mean **** if we don't come
back.
I'm
certainly not overpaid, but at the same time I'm not on foodstamps
or
know
any
who are. I know that they are out there,


Great, but we're talking about veterans here. Do you undertand the
difference between active duty and veteran? Veterans have already done
there time. It is they who Bush Jr., like his pappy before him, are
slashing benefits for,


You brought the veteran's issues into a thread that was discussing the
current and future state of Navy Air. Not exactly a "veteran's issue".
Thank you for your service and have a happy 4th, but if you can't
accept that this thread will follow along on the issues it is concerned
with, then find somewhere else to grind your axe or start a new thread.


False, Walt brought veterans issues into the thread and I responded to
that. Thank you for your service as well, but if you're reading
comprehension skills are that off, perhaps you should avoid
participating in any thread.


--Mike

No Mike, I responded to Walt. Your first post on this thread was a response
to that post of mine. You have noted that Walt hasn't kept the veteran's
issues
a part of this thread? Once again, this thread is about the current state
of
Naval Air. Hardly a veteran's issue, although it may be (and should be) a
concern of veterans. As far as not participating in any thread, with the
exception of responding to your trolls I have remained on topic. The issue
is money, and we don't have enough to fix everything at once. A little
patience
and flexibility will be needed. Semper Gumby.

Giz