The Apology

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 6:11:19 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Recently there was an apology issued from the SSA and the SSF and Editor for a so called offensive interpretation of the depiction of a historical portrayal of a young lady and a glider pilot on a previous edition of Soaring magazine. After reading the complaints from the women associated with the WSPA I decided it is now time to voice the other side of the story.
That depiction reminded me of the 1970's when I met my wife at the Kendall Gliderport in Miami . I was flying my Std. Cirrus and she was a student pilot for gliders. So to say that that depiction was sexist is completely ridiculous. The SSA should have never apologized because of an orchestrated attack on the publication , Editor, and the SSF.
The complainants are without merit, totally offbase and have a directive in place that only undermines the overall objective of the SSA, SSF, and Editor. You would think that this bunch of misfits, have no understanding of how this is an inclusive activity and not directed by any one gender.
Ladies, listen up, much has been done by the SSA and others to support women in the sport of flying gliders. Let me take a moment and share a story with you about compassion and inclusion.
During the past year we has a lady member whom became sick from a serious stage of cancer, a few of us at our club took notice and understood the severity of the situation and made it possible for this lady to achieve her goal of becoming a CFIG. We made sure that this was done at no cost, and guess what, she completed her CFIG even while on chemotherapy.
Sorry that you think the SSA must apologize for your mis-interpretation and misguided effort . I think that the lack of cognizance is appalling. Bob Youngblood
At this time I would like to request that there NO further post to this thread. We have all made our points, expressed our perceptions and personal attacks. I do not look at this as a winning or losing debate and at times I saw unfortunate post from people whom I have a lot of respect for, I hope they feel the same about me.
May I ask each one of you to throw the pen and paper down take a deep breathe say to ourselves that we have something in common. Enjoy your life, continue the wonderful adventure of sailplane flying and most of all stay healthy. My final words on this subject. If you wish to opine do so privately. Bob Youngblood, Vero Beach, Florida.

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Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Just before I posted, this deplorable thread was roughly 30 views (out of 6500) from moving into 6th place on the most-viewed-discussions-on-RAS rankings for 2020! As the U.S. presidential election just demonstrated, every vote (view) counts. And unlike that election, we can keep voting as many times as we want.

Tantalyzingly, it's only a few hundred views away from Top 5 status. So keep clicking.

Chip Bearden
JB

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 8:38:53 AM UTC-8, Chip Bearden wrote:
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Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Just before I posted, this deplorable thread was roughly 30 views (out of 6500) from moving into 6th place on the most-viewed-discussions-on-RAS rankings for 2020! As the U.S. presidential election just demonstrated, every vote (view) counts. And unlike that election, we can keep voting as many times as we want.

Tantalyzingly, it's only a few hundred views away from Top 5 status. So keep clicking.

Chip Bearden
JB

It's deplorable all right: you called my wife a liar and STILL haven't apologized.

Tom

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:40:32 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
It's deplorable all right: you called my wife a liar and STILL haven't apologized.

Tom

This discussion is full of remarks that beg for an apology, none of which has been forthcoming. So I'll go first. Some context:

[Tom] I showed [the ad] to my wife and she thought it was cute, and others here have noted a similar reaction.

[Chip] Tell the truth, Tom. What's your answer to "honey, does this dress make my butt look big?" Yeah, I thought so. This is what focus groups are for.

[Tom] And, then, you insulted my wife by implying that she was being dishonest. I think you owe her an apology.

I think I implied--by using a humorous-but-admittedly sexist analogy that many men in relationships with women are familiar with--that your wife might well have told you what you wanted to hear to be diplomatic or to protect your ego or to avoid an animated discussion.

But I don't know her so if my use of humor hurt or offended her, then I apologize.

Now it's your turn, dude.

I suggest you start by apologizing to Mike Westbrook and Hugh Grandstaff for saying they were the only ones who had used the phrase "childless corporate whores". That was factually untrue and you owe those guys an apology.

If we can close this out with apologies on both sides, however small, MAYBE then we can feel like we made some progress. Otherwise, this embarrassment is now the 6th-most-viewed RAS discussion of 2020 with a good chance of making the top 5. The mind boggles.

Chip Bearden
JB

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 7:04:47 PM UTC-5, Chip Bearden wrote:
On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:40:32 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
It's deplorable all right: you called my wife a liar and STILL haven't apologized.

Tom

This discussion is full of remarks that beg for an apology, none of which has been forthcoming. So I'll go first. Some context:

[Tom] I showed [the ad] to my wife and she thought it was cute, and others here have noted a similar reaction.

[Chip] Tell the truth, Tom. What's your answer to "honey, does this dress make my butt look big?" Yeah, I thought so. This is what focus groups are for.

[Tom] And, then, you insulted my wife by implying that she was being dishonest. I think you owe her an apology.

I think I implied--by using a humorous-but-admittedly sexist analogy that many men in relationships with women are familiar with--that your wife might well have told you what you wanted to hear to be diplomatic or to protect your ego or to avoid an animated discussion.

But I don't know her so if my use of humor hurt or offended her, then I apologize.

Now it's your turn, dude.

I suggest you start by apologizing to Mike Westbrook and Hugh Grandstaff for saying they were the only ones who had used the phrase "childless corporate whores". That was factually untrue and you owe those guys an apology.

If we can close this out with apologies on both sides, however small, MAYBE then we can feel like we made some progress. Otherwise, this embarrassment is now the 6th-most-viewed RAS discussion of 2020 with a good chance of making the top 5. The mind boggles.

Chip Bearden
JB

Thanks for leading JB. I knew you had that contest id for a reason (private joke).

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 4:04:47 PM UTC-8, Chip Bearden wrote:
On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:40:32 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
It's deplorable all right: you called my wife a liar and STILL haven't apologized.

Tom

This discussion is full of remarks that beg for an apology, none of which has been forthcoming. So I'll go first. Some context:

[Tom] I showed [the ad] to my wife and she thought it was cute, and others here have noted a similar reaction.

[Chip] Tell the truth, Tom. What's your answer to "honey, does this dress make my butt look big?" Yeah, I thought so. This is what focus groups are for.

[Tom] And, then, you insulted my wife by implying that she was being dishonest. I think you owe her an apology.

I think I implied--by using a humorous-but-admittedly sexist analogy that many men in relationships with women are familiar with--that your wife might well have told you what you wanted to hear to be diplomatic or to protect your ego or to avoid an animated discussion.

But I don't know her so if my use of humor hurt or offended her, then I apologize.

Now it's your turn, dude.

I suggest you start by apologizing to Mike Westbrook and Hugh Grandstaff for saying they were the only ones who had used the phrase "childless corporate whores". That was factually untrue and you owe those guys an apology.

If we can close this out with apologies on both sides, however small, MAYBE then we can feel like we made some progress. Otherwise, this embarrassment is now the 6th-most-viewed RAS discussion of 2020 with a good chance of making the top 5. The mind boggles.

Chip Bearden
JB

Chip, I insisted on an apology, not because I thought you were being serious, (I knew you weren't), but to demonstrate how ridiculous this whole situation has become. These days, you can literally be fired for telling a joke.. We all need to get a grip.

BTW, I DIDN'T say that 'Mike Westbrook and Hugh Grandstaff were the only ones who had used the phrase "childless corporate whores".' Go check it out: I said that I "could not find" any other references after doing a search, which I did.

Tom

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 5:58:55 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:

BTW, I DIDN'T say that 'Mike Westbrook and Hugh Grandstaff were the only ones who had used the phrase "childless corporate whores".' Go check it out: I said that I "could not find" any other references after doing a search, which I did.

[on 26 October, responding to Mike Westbrook, 2G wrote:]

The only people here who have used the phrase "childless corporate whores" are you and Hugh Grandstaff. If I am wrong, quote it because I have searched and could find no other references.

Tom, add me to your rapidly accumulating list of apologies owed. But if you have only one apology in you, then I yield my position to Mike and Hugh.

Chip Bearden
JB

S C O R E !!!!!!!

In the past few minutes, this embarassing discussion has quietly (poetic license) moved into FIFTH PLACE (5th) on the 2020 Most-Viewed RAS Discussions list.

We're only a couple of hundred views out of 3rd--yes, THIRD PLACE!!! With Tom's assistance, we can do it!! Keep those clicks/views coming, folks. You're witnessing history being made. ;-)

Chip Bearden
JB

On Sunday, 8 November 2020 at 22:58:55 UTC, 2G wrote:
BTW, I DIDN'T say that 'Mike Westbrook and Hugh Grandstaff were the only ones who had used the phrase "childless corporate whores".' Go check it out: I said that I "could not find" any other references after doing a search, which I did.

Tom

.. Try reading it in a forum format, such as Google groups
.. Most browsers have a Find in page search function
.. 49 instances of a certain word by now, including in quotes, and the first instance stands out well enough.

More to the point now, since some of us helped with finding the phrase in question, you haven't acknowledged with any thanks or other qualifying comment, such as you don't know how you missed it, thus leaving space for some here to feel your assertion may not have been entirely in good faith and some level of denial continues.

On Monday, 9 November 2020 at 00:27:33 UTC, andy l wrote:
On Sunday, 8 November 2020 at 22:58:55 UTC, 2G wrote:
BTW, I DIDN'T say that 'Mike Westbrook and Hugh Grandstaff were the only ones who had used the phrase "childless corporate whores".' Go check it out: I said that I "could not find" any other references after doing a search, which I did.

Tom
. Try reading it in a forum format, such as Google groups
. Most browsers have a Find in page search
. 49 instances of a certain word by now, including in quotes, and the first instance stands out well enough.

More to the point now, since some of us helped with finding the phrase in question, you haven't acknowledged with any thanks or other qualifying comment, such as you don't know how you missed it, thus leaving space for some here to feel your assertion may not have been entirely in good faith and some level of denial continues.