The Apology

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 5:58:55 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:

BTW, I DIDN'T say that 'Mike Westbrook and Hugh Grandstaff were the only ones who had used the phrase "childless corporate whores".' Go check it out: I said that I "could not find" any other references after doing a search, which I did.

[on 26 October, responding to Mike Westbrook, 2G wrote:]

The only people here who have used the phrase "childless corporate whores" are you and Hugh Grandstaff. If I am wrong, quote it because I have searched and could find no other references.

Tom, add me to your rapidly accumulating list of apologies owed. But if you have only one apology in you, then I yield my position to Mike and Hugh.

Chip Bearden
JB

S C O R E !!!!!!!

In the past few minutes, this embarassing discussion has quietly (poetic license) moved into FIFTH PLACE (5th) on the 2020 Most-Viewed RAS Discussions list.

We're only a couple of hundred views out of 3rd--yes, THIRD PLACE!!! With Tom's assistance, we can do it!! Keep those clicks/views coming, folks. You're witnessing history being made. ;-)

Chip Bearden
JB

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 4:22:50 PM UTC-8, Chip Bearden wrote:
S C O R E !!!!!!!

In the past few minutes, this embarassing discussion has quietly (poetic license) moved into FIFTH PLACE (5th) on the 2020 Most-Viewed RAS Discussions list.

We're only a couple of hundred views out of 3rd--yes, THIRD PLACE!!! With Tom's assistance, we can do it!! Keep those clicks/views coming, folks. You're witnessing history being made. ;-)

Chip Bearden
JB

Chip, if it moves up the ladder it will be because of YOU beating a dead horse.

Tom

On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 9:56:56 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:

Chip, if it moves up the ladder it will be because of YOU beating a dead horse.

Tom

WE DID IT!!! Sometime yesterday, 10 Nov 2020, this post--ironically titled "The Apology"--shot into THIRD PLACE (3rd) for "Most Viewed RAS Discussions for 2020". Bronze Medal position!!! (in Google Groups, assumed to be representative of other views via Usenet providers/newsreader clients).

Un-freaking-believable. The post had almost nothing to do with soaring apart from being sparked by an apology in Soaring magazine that was deemed a craven capitulation to nefarious forces undermining all that is sacred in our sport. It concluded with the abject refusal of one sullen poster to apologize for anything. In between were condescending and insulting protestations by others that the original "offense" (with much debate over whether it was, in fact, offensive) was blown way out of proportion. Total views just in Google Groups alone were almost 7,300.

My whole perspective on the men and women in U.S. soaring is different today than when this thread kicked off three weeks ago. I concede that I've kept it going the past few days because I don't think we should forget what was said here. This was not a spirited debate over which flight computer is better or the use of ASTs in contests where we close by good-naturedly agreeing to disagree. Rather, this discussion revealed a funadmental difference in the way we respect each other in soaring.

Having seen this discussion reach the podium position and acknowledging that no one who posted seems to have changed their minds, I'm signing off. But don't stop re-reading and/or contributing on my account.

Chip Bearden
JB

On 11/10/20 10:57 PM, Chip Bearden wrote:
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 9:56:56 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:

Chip, if it moves up the ladder it will be because of YOU beating a dead horse.

Tom

WE DID IT!!! Sometime yesterday, 10 Nov 2020, this post--ironically titled "The Apology"--shot into THIRD PLACE (3rd) for "Most Viewed RAS Discussions for 2020". Bronze Medal position!!! (in Google Groups, assumed to be representative of other views via Usenet providers/newsreader clients).

Un-freaking-believable. The post had almost nothing to do with soaring apart from being sparked by an apology in Soaring magazine that was deemed a craven capitulation to nefarious forces undermining all that is sacred in our sport. It concluded with the abject refusal of one sullen poster to apologize for anything. In between were condescending and insulting protestations by others that the original "offense" (with much debate over whether it was, in fact, offensive) was blown way out of proportion. Total views just in Google Groups alone were almost 7,300.

My whole perspective on the men and women in U.S. soaring is different today than when this thread kicked off three weeks ago. I concede that I've kept it going the past few days because I don't think we should forget what was said here. This was not a spirited debate over which flight computer is better or the use of ASTs in contests where we close by good-naturedly agreeing to disagree. Rather, this discussion revealed a funadmental difference in the way we respect each other in soaring.

Having seen this discussion reach the podium position and acknowledging that no one who posted seems to have changed their minds, I'm signing off. But don't stop re-reading and/or contributing on my account.

Chip Bearden
JB

Keep it up, Chip. Your continuous score keeping posts seem to be what
will eventually run this one to the top spot! Great job. Congratulations.

Time to move on, don'tcha think?

--
Dan
5J

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 11:43:14 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 11/10/20 10:57 PM, Chip Bearden wrote:
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 9:56:56 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:

Chip, if it moves up the ladder it will be because of YOU beating a dead horse.

Tom

WE DID IT!!! Sometime yesterday, 10 Nov 2020, this post--ironically titled "The Apology"--shot into THIRD PLACE (3rd) for "Most Viewed RAS Discussions for 2020". Bronze Medal position!!! (in Google Groups, assumed to be representative of other views via Usenet providers/newsreader clients).

Un-freaking-believable. The post had almost nothing to do with soaring apart from being sparked by an apology in Soaring magazine that was deemed a craven capitulation to nefarious forces undermining all that is sacred in our sport. It concluded with the abject refusal of one sullen poster to apologize for anything. In between were condescending and insulting protestations by others that the original "offense" (with much debate over whether it was, in fact, offensive) was blown way out of proportion. Total views just in Google Groups alone were almost 7,300.

My whole perspective on the men and women in U.S. soaring is different today than when this thread kicked off three weeks ago. I concede that I've kept it going the past few days because I don't think we should forget what was said here. This was not a spirited debate over which flight computer is better or the use of ASTs in contests where we close by good-naturedly agreeing to disagree. Rather, this discussion revealed a funadmental difference in the way we respect each other in soaring.

Having seen this discussion reach the podium position and acknowledging that no one who posted seems to have changed their minds, I'm signing off. But don't stop re-reading and/or contributing on my account.

Chip Bearden
JB

Keep it up, Chip. Your continuous score keeping posts seem to be what
will eventually run this one to the top spot! Great job. Congratulations.

Time to move on, don'tcha think?

--
Dan
5J
Good point Dan, wait until Chip sees the next chapter, I know that you have a preview.

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 4:05:06 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 11:43:14 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 11/10/20 10:57 PM, Chip Bearden wrote:
On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 9:56:56 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:

Chip, if it moves up the ladder it will be because of YOU beating a dead horse.

Tom

WE DID IT!!! Sometime yesterday, 10 Nov 2020, this post--ironically titled "The Apology"--shot into THIRD PLACE (3rd) for "Most Viewed RAS Discussions for 2020". Bronze Medal position!!! (in Google Groups, assumed to be representative of other views via Usenet providers/newsreader clients).

Un-freaking-believable. The post had almost nothing to do with soaring apart from being sparked by an apology in Soaring magazine that was deemed a craven capitulation to nefarious forces undermining all that is sacred in our sport. It concluded with the abject refusal of one sullen poster to apologize for anything. In between were condescending and insulting protestations by others that the original "offense" (with much debate over whether it was, in fact, offensive) was blown way out of proportion. Total views just in Google Groups alone were almost 7,300.

My whole perspective on the men and women in U.S. soaring is different today than when this thread kicked off three weeks ago. I concede that I've kept it going the past few days because I don't think we should forget what was said here. This was not a spirited debate over which flight computer is better or the use of ASTs in contests where we close by good-naturedly agreeing to disagree. Rather, this discussion revealed a funadmental difference in the way we respect each other in soaring.

Having seen this discussion reach the podium position and acknowledging that no one who posted seems to have changed their minds, I'm signing off. But don't stop re-reading and/or contributing on my account.

Chip Bearden
JB

Keep it up, Chip. Your continuous score keeping posts seem to be what
will eventually run this one to the top spot! Great job. Congratulations.

Time to move on, don'tcha think?

--
Dan
5J
Good point Dan, wait until Chip sees the next chapter, I know that you have a preview.

It sounds like Chip has given up on trying to change people's minds by brow-beating them. Good - I am OUTTA HERE!