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On Fri, 06 Nov 2020 04:46:34 -0800, waremark wrote:
What did you do after lockdown? We were not flying dual at that stage, so solo pilots all flew after the lockdown layoff (was it two months?) without any checkrides. I'd managed to do the the chalk&talk seminar before lockdonn, but not the check flights. So, after lockdown was lifted I got 2 hours in our simulator: winch launches, launch failures, general flying under calm, strongish wind both on-run axis and crosswind. Instructor behind a glass window and with intercom hooked up. I'd guess was about as thorough checkout for launch eventualities and landings as can be done on a simulator. Passed that and was given a solo winch launch in an ASK-21, observed from the ground by an instructor. Passed that too and was cleared to fly my Libelle without the usual aero-tow for stalling and spinning in the Puchacz. Pity: I always enjoy those exercises. Our simulator has better than 180 degree visuals using 5 projectors. My observations about it a - I never managed a winch release without a stall, mainly because there's no top of cable clue: it just back-releases. Winch power isn't cut and the glider doesn't arc over as it reaches the top. - The scenery is a good match for our local area but I found I was flying cramped circuits, possibly due to display resolution or the fact that a quick glance over the side doesn't help at all because all you see is lino. - I found landing difficult due to a lack of ground textu the initial round-out was fine because the perspective view was excellent for that, but the lack of close ground texture made getting the hold-off right rather difficult: judging round-out and holdoff in the real K-21 is a lot easier. -- -- Martin | martin at Gregorie | gregorie dot org |
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What? You are saying that the simulator isn't as good as the real thing? I'm SHOCKED! Shocked, I tell you!
To hear the Condor folks in my club, you would think that the only things missing are the cold beer and groupies after the flight, and they are going to program those "features" very soon. |
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2020 06:18:07 -0800, markmocho53 wrote:
What? You are saying that the simulator isn't as good as the real thing? I'm SHOCKED! Shocked, I tell you! Nah, as you probably sussed, I was just picking on the points that reached out and grabbed me as the result of using the simulator for solo pilots' annual flying checks as opposed to pre-solo training and visitor demos. So, never mind how much better or worse it is than other simulators: I was far more interested in how well it matches doing circuits in an ASK-21 and, anyway that clearly what Waremark is interested in too. Our annual checks normally involve three things: - a flying safety seminar. - winch eventualities in an ASK-21 (two launches during which the only thing you can be sure of is that the instructor and winchie have conspired to make it unlikely that you'll get to the top of the cable. - stalling and spinning exercises in the Puchacz after a 3500-4000 ft tow, which may also involve out-of-position, low-tow or wake boxing on the way up. To hear the Condor folks in my club, you would think that the only things missing are the cold beer and groupies after the flight, and they are going to program those "features" very soon. :-) Our simulator is a dedicated room at the club, built round a surplus G103 cockpit and using the (Martin-Marietta?) semi-professional version of the M$ Flight Sim. The cockpit is non-moving. We have a set of 5 projectors screwed to the ceiling to give a bit more than 180 degree scenery in the front seat. The instrument panel is an LCD flat screen mounted behind a black-painted mask with cutouts for the instruments, so is quite realistic. All controls (pedals, stick, airbrakes, trim and cable release) are fitted and working though they don't give any speed-related feel. The simulator software can do both winch and aero-tow launches. The only scenery I've seen it running is of our local soaring area, including an accurate representation of our airfield, but other glider fields are almost certainly available. -- -- Martin | martin at Gregorie | gregorie dot org |
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On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:36:59 PM UTC-5, waremark wrote:
What would you think was a reasonable proportion for a student at a volunteer operated club? I don't really have a strong opinion on this. It's what works for the club members and the students. What's important is to have the conversation ahead of time, so that people have matching expectations. |
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Our simulator has better than 180 degree visuals using 5 projectors. My observations about it a - I never managed a winch release without a stall, mainly because there's no top of cable clue: it just back-releases. Winch power isn't cut and the glider doesn't arc over as it reaches the top. The VR goggles make the experience MUCH better -- except for those people who wear bifocals or trifocals. There are many subtle aspects of the real-cockpit experience that aren't duplicated well by multiple screens. For instance, multiple screens don't allow you to lean around in your seat. You can't peer down to see the ground over the edge of the canopy rails. You can't peer around to see a glider at your 5 o'clock position. |
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On Monday, November 9, 2020 at 10:01:08 AM UTC-5, Piet Barber wrote:
Our simulator has better than 180 degree visuals using 5 projectors. My observations about it a - I never managed a winch release without a stall, mainly because there's no top of cable clue: it just back-releases. Winch power isn't cut and the glider doesn't arc over as it reaches the top. The VR goggles make the experience MUCH better -- except for those people who wear bifocals or trifocals. There are many subtle aspects of the real-cockpit experience that aren't duplicated well by multiple screens. For instance, multiple screens don't allow you to lean around in your seat. You can't peer down to see the ground over the edge of the canopy rails. You can't peer around to see a glider at your 5 o'clock position. You can using TrackIR and it is not that expensive. You can have maps etc on another monitor which is very handy in the mountains. |
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I am interested in the comparison between VR and multiple screens. Apart from the fact that I had heard that VR is quite nauseous for some people, I though multiple screens achieving a 180 degree field of view would have a big advantage in that they enable peripheral vision. I presume that peripheral vision is not possible with VR - am I correct?
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2020 08:43:11 -0800, waremark wrote:
I am interested in the comparison between VR and multiple screens. Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK VR goggles don't yet let you sit in a physical cockpit and see it well enough to read the panel and see and grab the auxiliary hand controls, e.g. release knob, airbrakes, trimmer and u/c lever. The only VR goggles I've tried are the MS Hololens, which were excellent for displaying virtual objects while letting you see everything else in a room, but may not be so good at displaying the external view round a physical cockpit or showing the interior of a virtual cockpit complete with grabbable knobs etc positioned so you can get them first time, every time. Personally, I have no problem with the realism of 180+ degree viz wrapped round a physical cockpit with a full set of physical controls. Seeing that the cockpit is nailed down while the external view rolls and pitches round it, the movement realism is quite acceptable,at least for me. As I said previously, I could have done with a bit more resolution and more heaving textured runways, but could quite easily live with what our club's system does. And you only look over the side at lino once. Now its operational we don't allow people to stand alongside the cockpit while its operating: that could be quite dangerous if such a person tried to move about while the sim is manoeuvring. Ours will be up and running again the current lockdown ends: come and take a look, though it may be a good idea to check the GRL office first to see when it and a backseater for it is available: ours was set up from the outset as a training tool, so the front seat has no access to simulator settings, etc. -- -- Martin | martin at Gregorie | gregorie dot org |
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On Friday, 6 November 2020 at 14:46:38 UTC+2, waremark wrote:
Not the culture down the road at Dunstable - experienced solo pilots are never required to take a checkride, and would not very often request one. EASA SPL and LAPL(S) licences have 24 month limit between checkrides, so you might want to have a word with those experienced pilots. |
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Le mardi 10 novembre 2020 Ã* 07:43:47 UTC+1, krasw a écritÂ*:
On Friday, 6 November 2020 at 14:46:38 UTC+2, waremark wrote: Not the culture down the road at Dunstable - experienced solo pilots are never required to take a checkride, and would not very often request one. EASA SPL and LAPL(S) licences have 24 month limit between checkrides, so you might want to have a word with those experienced pilots. Per EASA, these are no check rides, but training flights - i.e. you can't fail them. |
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