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Keep in mind also, that only about 10-15% (roughly) of a shrinking
USMC aviation program is jets. It's more like 35-40% of the Navy
program--especially with the demise of the maritime patrol
community. The Navy is your better percentage bet if you want to
fly jets.

Is there any actual idea when the Navy, Air Force and Marines are
going to get these F-something Joint Strike Fighters? And also, when
are they going to start training pilots on them?

The first aircraft will begin delievring around 2005-06. But that's for
testing -- only experienced pilots will be flying them at that point.
Initial Operating Capability (roughly when the operating force has enough
aircraft for a full operational squadron) comes about five years later. For
the Marine Corp's F-35B STOVL JSF, that's 2010, followed by the Air Force's
F-35A in 2011 and the Navy's F-35C in 2012. Operational pilots might see
some planes somewhat earlier than that to begin working up the first
squadron.

Of course, that assumes no program slippage between now and IOC. If you
believe that, I've got a very nice piece of Florida waterfront property for
sale.

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I am interested in pursuing a career in the Navy or Marine Corps,
quite possibly as an Aviation officer. I recently met with a
former Army officer, and he was telling me about parts of a
military career that I didn't know about. For example, he
mentioned that you can become a "military attache" in another
country. He also mentioned embassy duties and working in the
Pentagon. How hard are these kind of tours to get? Is there a
difference Navy vs. Marines?

When I came in there were a lot of guys trying to "game the system"
deciding whether to go USN or USMC based on the probability of
getting into flight school. You didn't have to commit to Marines
until your junior year.

As far as commissioning source effect on promotion: none.
As far as working in the Pentagon, some try hard to avoid it at
all costs, some try to get there. It generally is considered
valuable, or maybe mandatory to Captains. Naval attache is pretty
hard to get, more luck than anything else (you have to be in the
right place at the right time).

scott s.
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"Ogden Johnson III" wrote in message
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wrote:

That if you're not fit enough to be a Marine right now, you're
probably not fit enough to go Navy, either. If you want to go
aviation, the better shape you're in the better. [And even if you
don't get aviation, the Navy doesn't need out-of-shape ground {ship?}
officers any more than the Marine Corps does.]

Is that really the case? I'm easily fit enough for the Naval PRTs, but
I hear that the Marines are much harder. I heard they do 15-mile "joy
runs" and that kind of thing... probably couldn't do that.

Not until you're well out in gruntland. I'm a little out of date on
the PRT/PFT, and they're doing crunches instead of sit-up nowadays,
but IIRC [and remember, I never took this particular form PRT/PFT
until I was in my late 20s] a 3-mile run in under 20 minutes, 80-100
sit-ups, and a dozen/dozen-and-a-half pull-ups would have done you
good in my day. [They were not "kipless" pull-ups. Kipping was
rampant in my day. ;-]

What killed me every other day in boot camp was that damned "twice or
three times around the parade deck" at oh-dark-hundred, 5 minutes
after reveille. ;- [The rifle exercises on alternate days were a
piece of cake.]

My reason for asking is I need to check the
Marine or Navy box on the NROTC application, and if I feel like I want
to be a Marine, a few other important college options would open up
for me.

That's a first IME; that going Marine would offer *more* options,
important ones at that. In my days, the Navy always seemed to get the
better end of the stick. ;-

Well, the Marines have that PLC program, which makes life easier if
your school doesn't have NROTC. Granted, my firts two choices due, but
there's a chance I don't get in there.

*But*, PLC does, AIUI, have an aviation guarantee, if you're
physically/mentally qualified and accepted. [Guaranteed that you'll
be ordered to flight training after TBS. After that, it's in your
hands whether or not you get wings.]
--
OJ III
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From a recent conversation with my-son-in-law who is stationed at TBS (The
Basic School) at Quantico I believe the goal is every Officer Canidate has
to run all distances at a rete of 8 minutes a mile or less. The PFT run is
3 miles. I believe the the goal is to score 225 points + out of a possiable
300 points. The three mile run in 18 minutes is 100 points, and 28 minutes
(the maximum) 40 points. Pull-ups are 5 points each, with 4 being minimum.
Crunches I think are one point each with 40 minimum. (I am fairly confident
of these figures). But the minimum will not let you graduate from TBS. IIRC
I believe he said the longest timed run was 7 miles, and it was in PT gear.
However they do, forced marches with uniform, weapon, and equipment, of
longer distances. And they have the infamous "Hill Trail". I believe he also
said that group runs (either in PT gear or uniform) were at a slower pace,
due to the need to keep formation.

Red

On 10/22/03 7:16 AM, in article ,
"David Phillips" wrote:


Just to pick a nit ... would it be more accurate to say that you had a
slot in flight school, rather than a 'pilot slot', upon graduation?

There is a non-zero washout rate from just about any specialty
training.


Pick a nit if you like. To be totally accurate:

I had a Student Naval Aviator quota--(i.e. not SNFO, AI or AMDO) *IF* I was
physically qualified for it. What I was able to do in flight school is
entirely another row of corn, but I personally never considered failure (or
washing out) as an option.

--Woody

On 10/22/03 2:17 PM, in article
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wrote:

Keep in mind also, that only about 10-15% (roughly) of a shrinking USMC
aviation program is jets. It's more like 35-40% of the Navy
program--especially with the demise of the maritime patrol community. The
Navy is your better percentage bet if you want to fly jets.

Is there any actual idea when the Navy, Air Force and Marines are
going to get these F-something Joint Strike Fighters? And also, when
are they going to start training pilots on them?

That's for somebody in this group that actually tracks that program...

Let me just ask you this: Is this "I wanna be a pilot" thing just a passing
fancy for you? I have to question the motivation of a guy who refers to the
F-35 as "F-something." Not trying to beat on you... Just asking for an
honest self-assessment.

Did you just wake up a week ago and decide that this year might be a good
year to try to become a Naval Aviator?

If so, consider carefully. Military flight programs are no piece of cake,
and those with low motivation tend to be those that get canned from the
program.

--Woody

"R" wrote:

From a recent conversation with my-son-in-law who is stationed at TBS (The
Basic School) at Quantico I believe the goal is every Officer Canidate has
to run all distances at a rete of 8 minutes a mile or less. The PFT run is
3 miles. I believe the the goal is to score 225 points + out of a possiable
300 points. The three mile run in 18 minutes is 100 points, and 28 minutes
(the maximum) 40 points. Pull-ups are 5 points each, with 4 being minimum.
Crunches I think are one point each with 40 minimum. (I am fairly confident
of these figures). But the minimum will not let you graduate from TBS. IIRC
I believe he said the longest timed run was 7 miles, and it was in PT gear.
However they do, forced marches with uniform, weapon, and equipment, of
longer distances. And they have the infamous "Hill Trail". I believe he also
said that group runs (either in PT gear or uniform) were at a slower pace,
due to the need to keep formation.

Thanks, Red. It is amazing how much slips your mind in 20 years, and
I couldn't find the current PFT requirements on the USMC web site.
They're probably there, but buried deep.

Minimum score for passing at 3rd class, and for making 2nd and 1st
class, vary by age. And whatever your age, you'll need to pick up
points for total score among the individual events, whose minimums, in
total, are short of the 3rd class minimum score requirement. e.g., if
you manage only the minimum required for your age in pull-ups, you'll
have to do more than the minimum in sit-ups^Wcrunches and/or the run
for your age to pick up the points you need to pass.
--
OJ III
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote:

:For
:the Marine Corp's F-35B STOVL JSF, that's 2010, followed by the Air Force's
:F-35A in 2011 and the Navy's F-35C in 2012. Operational pilots might see
:some planes somewhat earlier than that to begin working up the first
:squadron.

The Marines are getting theirs first now? When did that happen? Was
that the several hundred million that USAF 'misplaced' behind that?

:Of course, that assumes no program slippage between now and IOC. If you
:believe that, I've got a very nice piece of Florida waterfront property for
:sale.

I've heard there are already budget problems. Any surprise there?


--
"Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."
-- Charles Pinckney

"scott s." wrote in message 8.161...
wrote in sci.military.naval:

I am interested in pursuing a career in the Navy or Marine Corps,
quite possibly as an Aviation officer. I recently met with a
former Army officer, and he was telling me about parts of a
military career that I didn't know about. For example, he
mentioned that you can become a "military attache" in another
country. He also mentioned embassy duties and working in the
Pentagon. How hard are these kind of tours to get? Is there a
difference Navy vs. Marines?

When I came in there were a lot of guys trying to "game the system"
deciding whether to go USN or USMC based on the probability of
getting into flight school. You didn't have to commit to Marines
until your junior year.

As far as commissioning source effect on promotion: none.
As far as working in the Pentagon, some try hard to avoid it at
all costs, some try to get there. It generally is considered
valuable, or maybe mandatory to Captains. Naval attache is pretty
hard to get, more luck than anything else (you have to be in the
right place at the right time).

Naval attache is not hard to get. Since the only
requirement is that you can't be a CIA agent.


scott s.
.

The Marines are getting theirs first now? When did that happen?

Astonishing! As O.J. said a day or two ago, the marines always seem
to get the short end of the stick.

For a time, when I was in the marines, 50 years ago, I flew airplanes
that had olive-drab paint under the blue, visible where the blue had
worn off. I took it for granted that the army air corps had given
them to the marines after they had worn them out.

vince norris

"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
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The Marines are getting theirs first now? When did that happen?

Astonishing! As O.J. said a day or two ago, the marines always seem
to get the short end of the stick.

For a time, when I was in the marines, 50 years ago, I flew airplanes
that had olive-drab paint under the blue, visible where the blue had
worn off. I took it for granted that the army air corps had given
them to the marines after they had worn them out.

vince norris

The Marines get theirs first as part of a deal worked out first with the
Navy and then with the Air Force. Part of the deal with the Navy was not to
spend aircraft money on new Harriers, or getting the F-18-E/F. This lets
the Navy get the F-18 E/F faster.

In turn the Navy and Marines then made a deal with the Air Force to provide
funds earlier to speed development of the F-35 program (actually more like
allowing it to remain on schedule), with the F-35B production being speeded
up.

Of course I have nothing to back this up except conversations at the O'Club.