President Bush is doing well.

"Michael Wise" wrote in message

So you're saying its OK for you disregard or flout any law you
like....provided the law is "malum prohibitum"?

Maybe. Rosa Parks was committing a crime when she refused to move to the
back of the bus. Most of our Founders were not only felons but traitors in
1775. Kinds of depends on the circumstances.

I'm not saying it's right,

I see. At least you have the balls to admit what you're doing is wrong
that you are perfectly content to make your neighbors pay the real costs
of your cheap labor.

I said I never hired them; only that I knew where to do so. I also can take
you to most of the active drug locations in the county. If you want a hit
man I can probably point you in that direction, too. Not that I would, only
that I could.

Since I work as a part time prosecutor in our local DA's office I try to
conform my personal behavior to the standard of Ceasar's Wife. Or, put
another way, I know more than I do.

If you were a Naval Aviator then I would bet that in your career you made
one or more choices to violate some regulation 'cause in your view at the
time it was a Good Thing to do. Indeed, if you ever wore anybody's uniform
at any rank or rate I suspect that you have done the same thing.

I'm pointing out an economic reality that those
who specialize in hatred of those not like them don't ever care to
acknowledge.

You're the only person mentioning hatred of anybody here. Obviously
you're well-versed in defending your wrong (by your own admission) and
illegal ways by trying to make it an argument about race.

I have committed no wrong. I only point out this wrong is determined by the
vagarities of time time and place, not some external code of morality. This
concept clearly escapes you.

Note, also, that I never said I hired any of these guys, only that I
could
if I wished

You said:

Ever try to hire agricultural labor? I have offered as much as $15/hr.
cash
and had no takers for such tasks as bucking hay, weedeating fencelines,
mucking stalls, etc. I can make a quick trip over to Lenoir City and
hire a
crew for an 8 hour day at $50/head. And those sons of bitches will work
their butts off for that $50 (where if I hire 'Mericans I will have to
do
constant "over the shoulder" supervision).

How can you possibly know you can get illegal labor for $50/day if you
hadn't in fact done so?

How do you know what the speed of light is? Did you personally measure it?
Or are you sentient enought to be able to read a book. Or talk to
neighbors? Or watch CNN?

Personal experience is only one form of learning.

How can you possibly know those "sons of
bitches" will works their asses of for that $50 if you hadn't hired
those "sons of bitches"?

See above.

(P.S. Your cross examination technique sux. Quit watching "Law and Order"
and go sit through some trials at your local court house.)

The answer is not 10 divisions on the southern border, but a system that
recognizes reality and does not pander to the prejudices of those who
hate
anybody not like themselves.

I'm sure that dog-eared race card of yours sits in your shirt pocket for
quick use as a red herring tool for you, but you're the only person here
talking about hate.

I know a thing or two about hate, gathered in my years as a Naval Officer,
attorney, and sentient human being. Like the umpire, I calls it like I sees
it.

Bill Kambic

In article , "Bill Kambic"
wrote:

So you're saying its OK for you disregard or flout any law you
like....provided the law is "malum prohibitum"?

Maybe. Rosa Parks was committing a crime when she refused to move to the
back of the bus.

I guess that means you don't intend on answering the question, but
instead will reach into your shirt pocket and once again pull out your
dog-eared race card?

Since you're now claiming to be a part-time prosecuting attorney, can I
also ask you if its common practice that when you ask or are asked a
question on your job...that you ignore it and simply answer with a
question...and an inappropriate one at that?


I'm not saying it's right,

I see. At least you have the balls to admit what you're doing is wrong
that you are perfectly content to make your neighbors pay the real costs
of your cheap labor.

I said I never hired them; only that I knew where to do so.

You said you knew where do do so, exactly what would be the cost, and
that you know how the worker would perform.

I also can take
you to most of the active drug locations in the county. If you want a hit
man I can probably point you in that direction, too. Not that I would, only
that I could.


And you could also tell me what this hit man would charge and how
effective he would be at his trade (work ethic, end result, etc.)?





I'm pointing out an economic reality that those
who specialize in hatred of those not like them don't ever care to
acknowledge.

You're the only person mentioning hatred of anybody here. Obviously
you're well-versed in defending your wrong (by your own admission) and
illegal ways by trying to make it an argument about race.

I have committed no wrong. I only point out this wrong is determined by the
vagarities of time time and place, not some external code of morality.

Are are most laws which govern our as well as societies around the
world. Does that excuse violating them?


Note, also, that I never said I hired any of these guys, only that I
could
if I wished

You said:

Ever try to hire agricultural labor? I have offered as much as $15/hr.
cash
and had no takers for such tasks as bucking hay, weedeating fencelines,
mucking stalls, etc. I can make a quick trip over to Lenoir City and
hire a
crew for an 8 hour day at $50/head. And those sons of bitches will work
their butts off for that $50 (where if I hire 'Mericans I will have to
do
constant "over the shoulder" supervision).

How can you possibly know you can get illegal labor for $50/day if you
hadn't in fact done so?

How do you know what the speed of light is?


Because it is well documented by credible scientists and has stood the
test of time with physicists the world over.


Did you personally measure it?

See above.

Or are you sentient enought to be able to read a book. Or talk to
neighbors? Or watch CNN?

Sentient enough to read and pass judgement on empiral scientific
evidence accepted by the entire world. Are you tring to suggest that
your commentary on illegal aliens to work your plantation is backed by
similar evidence? If so, you'll not have any difficulty presenting that
evidence right here and now...right?


Personal experience is only one form of learning.

How can you possibly know those "sons of
bitches" will works their asses of for that $50 if you hadn't hired
those "sons of bitches"?

See above.

See above

(P.S. Your cross examination technique sux. Quit watching "Law and Order"
and go sit through some trials at your local court house.)


I am not an attorney nor is this a court of law...nor have I even heard
of a show called "Law and Order."

And if my questioning "sux" so much, why do you continue to avoid even
answering the questions? You very specifically said that illegal don't
in TN get the services I several times mentioned...yet when I asked you
what they do when they get sick, hurt, have school-aged kids, etc. and
who pays for it...you ignore the question, delete the question from
quoted text, and then have the audacity to attack the questioner.

Is this sort of lack of intellectual integrity a prerequisite for
part-time prosecutors in your corner of the world...or is it something
just specifc to you?




The answer is not 10 divisions on the southern border, but a system that
recognizes reality and does not pander to the prejudices of those who
hate
anybody not like themselves.

I'm sure that dog-eared race card of yours sits in your shirt pocket for
quick use as a red herring tool for you, but you're the only person here
talking about hate.

I know a thing or two about hate,

Again, race and hate have nothing to do with this...despite your
constant desperate efforts to slam your warn-our race card on the table.
How about answering the questions instead of cowardly hiding behind red
herring arguments?



--Mike

Michael Wise" wrote in message news:no-

How about answering the questions instead of cowardly hiding behind red
herring arguments?

You're right. I am a complete moral coward and intellectually unfit to
joust with the likes of such as your.

I quit. You win.

Bill Kambic

If, by any act, error, or omission, I have, intentionally or
unintentionally, displayed any breedist, disciplinist, sexist, racist,
culturalist, nationalist, regionalist, localist, ageist, lookist, ableist,
sizeist, speciesist, intellectualist, socioeconomicist, ethnocentrist,
phallocentrist, heteropatriarchalist, or other violation of the rules of
political correctness, known or unknown, I am not sorry and I encourage you
to get over it.

In article , "Bill Kambic"
wrote:

Michael Wise" wrote in message news:no-

How about answering the questions instead of cowardly hiding behind red
herring arguments?

You're right. I am a complete moral coward and intellectually unfit to
joust with the likes of such as your.

I quit. You win.


Is that you're way of telling us you never intend on telling us who pays
for the city/county/state services used by illegal aliens?


--Mike

Further posts from Michael Wise = "Plonk."

--
Mike Kanze

"Asking what a pilot thinks about the FAA is like asking a fireplug what it
thinks about dogs."

- from Bill "Windmill" Young


"Michael Wise" wrote in message
...
In article , "Bill Kambic"
wrote:

Michael Wise" wrote in message news:no-

How about answering the questions instead of cowardly hiding behind
red
herring arguments?

You're right. I am a complete moral coward and intellectually unfit to
joust with the likes of such as your.

I quit. You win.


Is that you're way of telling us you never intend on telling us who pays
for the city/county/state services used by illegal aliens?


--Mike

You're right. I am a complete moral coward and intellectually unfit to
joust with the likes of such as your. BRBR

I think the local Bar association needs to have a look at you, since you know
where other felons do their trade(like hit men and drug dealers)but don't want
to get your hands dirty.

But I guess that you see other minor infractions, like possession of grass,
something that deserves to have a blind eye turned towards it, while we are
putting words into each others mouths and ignoring the law.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Bill- If you were a Naval Aviator then I would bet that in your career you
made
one or more choices to violate some regulation 'cause in your view at the
time it was a Good Thing to do. BRBR

Don't speak for me sir. I see that you weren't really in the USN anyway, but
part of the JAG..Where 'interpretation of the law' is an art form.

bill I only point out this wrong is determined by the
vagarities of time time and place, not some external code of morality. This
concept clearly escapes you. BRBR

The consept that seems to escape you, that being undocumented in the US is
illegal. As a part time prosecutor, what other laws do you choose to ignore
because you don't agree with them?

If somebody was being prosecuted for being undocumented , would you remove
yourself from the case?

P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

"Pechs1" wrote in message

Bill- If you were a Naval Aviator then I would bet that in your career
you
made
one or more choices to violate some regulation 'cause in your view at the
time it was a Good Thing to do. BRBR

Don't speak for me sir.

Then don't presume to speak for me on my views on schools, drug usage, or
anything else.

Sauce for gander, don't you know.

But I'll stand by my bet.

I see that you weren't really in the USN anyway, but
part of the JAG..Where 'interpretation of the law' is an art form.

Well, on this one you are flat, dead wrong. I have written before that I
was VS/VP/VT. I am an Honorary Member of the JAG Corps. (got the plaque to
prove it) and am proud to be so.


bill I only point out this wrong is determined by the
vagarities of time time and place, not some external code of morality.
This
concept clearly escapes you. BRBR

The consept that seems to escape you, that being undocumented in the US is
illegal. As a part time prosecutor, what other laws do you choose to
ignore
because you don't agree with them?

I follow the letter of the law and the guidelines of the District Attorney
General.

If somebody was being prosecuted for being undocumented , would you remove
yourself from the case?

I don't do that sort of work so the question is moot.

Bill Kambic

CDR, USNR (Ret)
VS/VP/VT Active and Reserve

If, by any act, error, or omission, I have, intentionally or
unintentionally, displayed any breedist, disciplinist, sexist, racist,
culturalist, nationalist, regionalist, localist, ageist, lookist, ableist,
sizeist, speciesist, intellectualist, socioeconomicist, ethnocentrist,
phallocentrist, heteropatriarchalist, or other violation of the rules of
political correctness, known or unknown, I am not sorry and I encourage you
to get over it.

Bill- Then don't presume to speak for me on my views on schools, drug usage,
or
anything else. BRBR

I see that you ignore the law to suit your own personal view of it. Not
surprising for an attorney. Many seem to have precious little supply of ethics.




P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer