Has Marine Air ever Considered picking up A10's??

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:47:54 GMT, Tiger
wrote:

Since The Air Force detests the thing so much, why not give to some CAS
pros in Marine air. It seems like their kinda hardware.

Just how would the Marines operate A-10s from carriers or LHDs?

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Andrew C. Toppan wrote:
Just how would the Marines operate A-10s from carriers or LHDs?

They'll do that when the Navy builds a carrier big enough to operate
their C-130s. ;-)

If that C-130 sized tiltrotor is ever built will it have folding or
rotating wings or do they not intend to operate it from ships?

-HJC

The Navy did operate a C-130 from a Midway class carrier, including arrested
landings. Trouble was the a/c gross weight was such that no payload could be
brought aboard or flown off the ship.

WDA

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"Henry J Cobb" wrote in message
...
Andrew C. Toppan wrote:
Just how would the Marines operate A-10s from carriers or LHDs?

They'll do that when the Navy builds a carrier big enough to operate
their C-130s. ;-)

If that C-130 sized tiltrotor is ever built will it have folding or
rotating wings or do they not intend to operate it from ships?

-HJC

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:29:19 -0700, "W. D. Allen Sr."
wrote:

The Navy did operate a C-130 from a Midway class carrier, including arrested

Ummm, no.

The KC-130 trials were aboard FORRESTAL, not a MIDWAY class ship.

The landings were NOT arrested. (how could they be? The C-130 has no
tailhook)

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WDAllen- The Navy did operate a C-130 from a Midway class carrier, including
arrested
landings. BRBR

Flatley did it but not arrested landings. max reverse pitch at landing..no
'traps'.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

From: (Pechs1)
Date: 4/19/2004 06:24 Pacific Daylight Time

WDAllen- The Navy did operate a C-130 from a Midway class carrier,
including
arrested
landings.

Flatley did it but not arrested landings. max reverse pitch at
landing..no'traps'.

Plus on a slightly larger boat -- the Forrestal.

MW

Mike- Plus on a slightly larger boat -- the Forrestal. BRBR

Right you are but the total area of the Midway-maru's flight deck is indeed
larger than the FID...
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Pechs,

Right you are but the total area of the Midway-maru's flight deck is indeed
larger than the FID...

Before or after her conversion? Midway's conversion happened after
Flatley's C-130 trials, IIRC.

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Mike Kanze

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"Pechs1" wrote in message
...
Mike- Plus on a slightly larger boat -- the Forrestal. BRBR

Right you are but the total area of the Midway-maru's flight deck is
indeed
larger than the FID...
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer

From: (Pechs1)
Date: 4/20/2004 06:11 Pacific Daylight Time

Mike- Plus on a slightly larger boat -- the Forrestal.

Right you are but the total area of the Midway-maru's flight deck is
indeedlarger than the FID...

Interesting. Would that have been the case back in '63 when the tests were
conducted?

MW

Sorry but you are wrong HJD,

The navy did land a herk on a carrier and take off,,,29 times.
But it was on the "Forrestal" (CV-59), a Forrestal Class carrier, not
a Midway class, which there was only 3 built- Midway ( CV-41) ,
F.D.R. (CV-42) and the Coral Sea (CV-43)..

They performed this in a number of configurations, including
JATO and no JATO. The most amazing one was one of the the landing
(slam the deck, then immediate full beta on the props). then takeoff
from the same spot without repositioning the A/C!

Where did you get the info about no payload due to gross
weight??? Just like to see a reference on that one. My experience in
A/C weight and balance using the NA 01-1B-40, (chart A, C and Form F)
and the current version of the AWBS software shows me how to adjust
fuel loads and payloads for max weight and fwd/aft cg limits for
takeoffs and landings. Just like see to see you reference your claim:
"Trouble was the a/c gross weight was such that no payload could be
brought aboard or flown off the ship".

I was a Navy C130 plane captain and technician in my first
squadron back in the early 80's and a fellow squadron flight engineer
gave me the book, "HERK: Hero of the skies", (Joseph Earl Dabney,
1984). I still have it. Read it for confirmation and lots more on the
Forrestal tests, amazing stuff!


On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:29:19 -0700, "W. D. Allen Sr."
wrote:

The Navy did operate a C-130 from a Midway class carrier, including arrested
landings. Trouble was the a/c gross weight was such that no payload could be
brought aboard or flown off the ship.

WDA

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"Henry J Cobb" wrote in message
...
Andrew C. Toppan wrote:
Just how would the Marines operate A-10s from carriers or LHDs?

They'll do that when the Navy builds a carrier big enough to operate
their C-130s. ;-)

If that C-130 sized tiltrotor is ever built will it have folding or
rotating wings or do they not intend to operate it from ships?

-HJC