LINCOLN

"Andrew C. Toppan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:48:40 -0600, "B.C. Mallam"
Do you have any knowledge whatsoever of what ships may be escorting
LINCOLN? Here's a hint: she deployed with a battle group.

Mix in a few SEALs.

"C.D.Damron" wrote in message
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"Andrew C. Toppan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:48:40 -0600, "B.C. Mallam"
Do you have any knowledge whatsoever of what ships may be escorting
LINCOLN? Here's a hint: she deployed with a battle group.

Mix in a few SEALs.

Add in new rules of engagement...

aardvark- Add in new rules of engagement...
BRBR

No kidding. I will bet any CO will gladly smoke a couple of sightseers by
mistake rather than have a unannounced small boat get close to their ship.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Pechs1 wrote:
aardvark- Add in new rules of engagement...
BRBR

No kidding. I will bet any CO will gladly smoke a couple of
sightseers by mistake rather than have a unannounced small boat get
close to their ship. P. C. Chisholm

Kennedy ran over a fishing dhow in the Gulf this summer during night flight
ops. They manged not to see the dhow, much less smoke it, until far too
late. Also bent some planes when the ship tried to take evasive action.
I'm sure the CO would have preferred to shoot the damned thing, 'cause
running it over cost him his command and likely his career.
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In article et, "Thomas
Schoene" wrote:

I'm sure the CO would have preferred to shoot the damned thing, 'cause
running it over cost him his command and likely his career.

Yeah, poor him. How many people died?




D

"D" wrote in message
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Yeah, poor him. How many people died?

It is very likely that the dhow was sitting dead in the water, no lights, no
radar reflector, no crewman on watch, no radio, no flares, no clue.

Little craft share in the responsibility for their own safety.

Actually, the Kennedy (CIC, the bridge, and so the CO) had been aware
of the dhow for quite some time. Navy Times ran a fairly detailed
account, but apparently the CO elected to remain on Fox Corpen(some
problem with getting a laggard F-14 back aboard IIRC) even though that
would be bring the dhow close aboard.
Bottom line is the skipper knew about the dhow and ran over it
anyway...(And before anybody starts, I know, ball-diamond-ball and all
that)
Working from memory here...Will see if I can find the article later.

damron- It is very likely that the dhow was sitting dead in the water, no
lights, no
radar reflector, no crewman on watch, no radio, no flares, no clue.

Little craft share in the responsibility for their own safety. BRBR

I doubt the CO of the dhow knew that under international rules of the road, a
CV dring flight ops has the right of way. Too bad the CO of the Kennedy got
slammed, but it's 'lonely at the top'.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

D- Yeah, poor him. How many people died? BRBR

Why don't you look at the whole picture. CO was running the CV, doing flight
ops at night and the dhow was dead in the water. Didn't the 'CO' of the dhow
have a clue?(no!) The accident was HIS fault, not the CO of the CV.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

(Pechs1) wrote:

D- Yeah, poor him. How many people died? BRBR

Why don't you look at the whole picture. CO was running the CV, doing flight
ops at night and the dhow was dead in the water. Didn't the 'CO' of the dhow
have a clue?(no!) The accident was HIS fault, not the CO of the CV.
P. C. Chisholm

Bull.

While I have all sympathy for the trials and tribulations for a
Capt of a carrier maneuvering to pick up a possibly damaged
aircraft while dodging other watercraft they are just that,
'things to be avoided'...he didn't take the NECESSARY care and
killed people...ergo...
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-Gord.
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