David Clarke Reviews

If they are easier to damage then there is no sence in buying them but
somthing built with quality.


"Peter" wrote in message
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"Paul" wrote

I am after a David Clarke Headset but am not sure which one to buy.

Get a Bose X They are better than any D-C model. Not so good for a
club environment though (easier to damage)


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You're right, there is no sense in buying them for a club environment,
but for someone that can appreciate a 1000 headset, they're the cat's
meow.

Remember there are those who have and those who want. Too many times
those that want will satisfy themselves by saying the BOSE are not
that good, not worth the money, their Lightspeeds, et al, are better
but they know the truth. If you can afford them, great. If you can't
there are wonderful alternatives out there.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:09:30 -0700, "MRQB" wrote:

If they are easier to damage then there is no sence in buying them but
somthing built with quality.


"Peter" wrote in message
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"Paul" wrote

I am after a David Clarke Headset but am not sure which one to buy.

Get a Bose X They are better than any D-C model. Not so good for a
club environment though (easier to damage)


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I've owned my 15XLs for close to three years now, and haven't had a single
problem. I'll qualify that statement by saying that I *carefully* unplug
them and replace them in their carrying bag after each use, and I usually
don't leave them in the airplane in the winter, even though it is in a
hangar. Also have a pair of the QFR Solos for pax, and have no complaints
about them either.

Steve DeMoss
N16071
KHVC

"Cockpit Colin" wrote in message
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All joking aside, the single thread that seems to consistently bind all
models of lightspeed is their unreliability.

From what I've read (from people who have allegedly owned them) I wouldn't
touch them with a 10 foot pole.


"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Cockpit,

I've read of people who've
sent them back a dozen times or more


Well, I'd wager you've read about exactly ONE person who's done that.
And he's gotten one for free now.

You also find one person here who hates his (ex-)Cirrus. This is
Usenet...

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Paul wrote:

Which David Clarke models offer ANR?

http://www.avionicswest.com/davidenr.html

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

Steve Firth wrote:

A recent review that I read (cant recall where, sorry) gave the Bose a
low mark for noise reduction and suggested Sennheisser as the best
performing.

I have both. Prefer (and wear) the Bose.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

James Robinson wrote:

Our company investigated supplying ENR
headsets in a high noise area, but decided not to, since there was no
demonstrated value. In short, ENR only works on lower frequencies, and
those frequencies typically don't affect hearing as much as higher
frequencies.

ANR can be designed to work on any frequency. I suggest your company might want to
check out the Bose ANR headphones (nonaviation). They seem to block out all
frequencies. Great hearing protectors in a noisy environment.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

ANR can be designed to work on any frequency. I suggest your company might want to
check out the Bose ANR headphones (nonaviation). They seem to block out all
frequencies. Great hearing protectors in a noisy environment.

We were told by the manufacturer that they wouldn't make them for higher
frequencies, since there was risk of increasing noise levels at certain
frequencies. As the wavelengths get shorter, there are problems with
resonances within the earcups.

As far as headsets for noisy environments, the earcups themselves
attenuate higher frequency noises. The idea of ENR is to provide
attenuation at the low frequencies the passive earcups won't handle.

"Steve DeMoss" wrote in message
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I've owned my 15XLs for close to three years now, and haven't had a single
problem. I'll qualify that statement by saying that I *carefully* unplug
them and replace them in their carrying bag after each use, and I usually
don't leave them in the airplane in the winter, even though it is in a
hangar. Also have a pair of the QFR Solos for pax, and have no complaints
about them either.

Conversely, my DC's that I've had for six years have been dropped, banged
around, shoved in my flight bag, left in the car in 105F summers and -15F
winters. They've been bashed around on the floor of a banner plane for two
seasons, scuffed, scratched and all in all abused in just about every way.
They've been snowed on, rained on, had avgas spilled on, dropped in the mud
and on concrete.

I've wrapped the cord around the headset, and pulled out the plugs by the
cord. Not all the time, but more than once. They still work like the day I
got them. The only problem I've had was losing my mic muff two years ago.

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Mike

Man, you find all kinds of people on this thread...

I've had a DC 13.4 for lessee, about nine years now. Still works, no
problems, comfortable for the most part, even on long five to six hour legs.
I don't smash it up as much as Mike does, but do stuff it in my flight bag,
wrap the cords around it, and- one of my ways of keeping entertained while
instructing- play "yoke toss" with it once in a while. While my student is
preflighting, they often leave the door open on the Pipers we fly. I'll
stroll over to the right side, and standing just behind the trailing edge,
toss my headset through the open door, with the intention of hooking it on
the right yoke. Most of the time it misses and either lands on the seat or
(more often) crashes to the floor. But you should see the reactions when I
do get it on the yoke. "Woah!" Just like at a carnival... g

I have seen plenty of students with DC H10-30s, which are a little cheaper.
Some have had problems with these. Minor annoyances are the screws on the
boom mike loosening, causing the mike to swing freely downward. Can be
easily tightened with a small screwdriver, but how often do you have one of
these at the start of a flight? Also, I've found I like the mike on the
H10-13.4's better, it provides noticibly clearer transmissions.

In regards to the ANR issue...Well, an ANR headset is on my list of "get
eventually" things, but not a big priority yet. I've had a chance to try a
number of ANR's out there, but I'll admit I haven't studied them that
closely. Main reason I've waited was that about two years ago I met a Peltor
headset technician in the exhibitor area at Oshkosh. I was in the market for
an ANR, and she actually discouraged me from getting one. Her explanation
was that ANR's work best for people with generally quiet aircraft that have
a dull low noise level that causes fatigue. She indicated that ANR headsets
attenuate low frequency noise well, which is what causes that fatigue over
time; but for the types of noisy general aviation aircraft that I teach in,
it would be a better value to have a good passive headset, which works
better on the high frequency noise that causes hearing damage. Just having
an ANR that "sounds really quiet" wasn't necessarily an indication of good
overall hearing protection.

Hey Mike, I don't suppose you dunked your headset in the inter-coastal
waterway too, huh?

-Eric



"Mike O'Malley" wrote in message
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Conversely, my DC's that I've had for six years have been dropped, banged
around, shoved in my flight bag, left in the car in 105F summers and -15F
winters. They've been bashed around on the floor of a banner plane for
two
seasons, scuffed, scratched and all in all abused in just about every way.
They've been snowed on, rained on, had avgas spilled on, dropped in the
mud
and on concrete.

I've wrapped the cord around the headset, and pulled out the plugs by the
cord. Not all the time, but more than once. They still work like the day
I
got them. The only problem I've had was losing my mic muff two years ago.

"skyliner" wrote in
news:fKIgc.162440$w54.1106922@attbi_s01:

I've had a DC 13.4 for lessee, about nine years now. Still works,
no problems, comfortable for the most part, even on long five to
six hour legs. I don't smash it up as much as Mike does, but do
stuff it in my flight bag, wrap the cords around it, and- one of
my ways of keeping entertained while instructing- play "yoke toss"
with it once in a while.

I've had about the same experience with DC. I bought a set of H10-80
several years ago when I was looking for two things.
(1) A bulletproof headset that could take a lickin' and keep on
tickin'.
(2) The best passive noise reduction that was available at the time.

Since then, I've had an aftermarket ANR Kit installed and I haven't
found another headset with better noise reduction.





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