Talk me out of this...

Ya, ya, ya, they're slow! :-) (I felt like I was damn-near friggin
hovering on the way back into Milwaukee today from Appleton, with winds
190 around 45 knots. GPS said 65 knots groundspeed tho.)

Jeff wrote:

you know, I once heard a guy who said he saw a 152 actually hover over the
runway.
kinda windy day, the guy cut power to land and the plane kinda just hovered
there.

on windy days, there is this 152 up at my airport, the thing looks like a
kite flapping around on its tiedowns.

65 kts GS ....
talk about a long trip
isnt that about the sped you rotate at ?

Paul Folbrecht wrote:

Ya, ya, ya, they're slow! :-) (I felt like I was damn-near friggin
hovering on the way back into Milwaukee today from Appleton, with winds
190 around 45 knots. GPS said 65 knots groundspeed tho.)

Jeff wrote:

you know, I once heard a guy who said he saw a 152 actually hover over the
runway.
kinda windy day, the guy cut power to land and the plane kinda just hovered
there.

on windy days, there is this 152 up at my airport, the thing looks like a
kite flapping around on its tiedowns.

You ain't kidding about the winds. They were from 250 when I was planning at
around 3 o'clock - by 3:30 they'd spun round to 200. Statrted double
checking my planning when it was obvious we were heading northwest instead
of northeast. 138 kts out - 78 kts back. Ouch.



"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message
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Ya, ya, ya, they're slow! :-) (I felt like I was damn-near friggin
hovering on the way back into Milwaukee today from Appleton, with winds
190 around 45 knots. GPS said 65 knots groundspeed tho.)

Jeff wrote:

you know, I once heard a guy who said he saw a 152 actually hover over
the
runway.
kinda windy day, the guy cut power to land and the plane kinda just
hovered
there.

on windy days, there is this 152 up at my airport, the thing looks like
a
kite flapping around on its tiedowns.

Yeah, the winds worked against me both ways. A bit annoying. I am
totally going to write a complaint letter to the NWS.

So was this one of your XCs? Dual?


Chris Hoffmann wrote:

You ain't kidding about the winds. They were from 250 when I was planning at
around 3 o'clock - by 3:30 they'd spun round to 200. Statrted double
checking my planning when it was obvious we were heading northwest instead
of northeast. 138 kts out - 78 kts back. Ouch.

This was sort of a "refresher" - I did both duals back in October, so we're
just catching up a bit before I take the phase check. Planned out a flight
to Manitowoc, but we didn't go much past West Bend. With the low ceilings
and winds, I was just fine with that.
Heh, SVFR practice? Not quite...


"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message
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Yeah, the winds worked against me both ways. A bit annoying. I am
totally going to write a complaint letter to the NWS.

So was this one of your XCs? Dual?


Chris Hoffmann wrote:

You ain't kidding about the winds. They were from 250 when I was
planning at
around 3 o'clock - by 3:30 they'd spun round to 200. Statrted double
checking my planning when it was obvious we were heading northwest
instead
of northeast. 138 kts out - 78 kts back. Ouch.

Wow, Chris, we could've ended up there together. :-) MTW is where we
went for lunch yesterday. And, as for the weather, I can't say you were
being overly cautious, cause it was indeed MVFR at times. Well,
ATW-MTW turned out to be not bad (around 6 miles in haze most of the
way, cig about 2500agl), but back to MKE I hit several bad spots. I had
to go to 1500agl over OSH and considered landing right there for a
moment, but it got better shortly thereafter. (This was about 4PM.)

Do run up there sometime and visit Joe's, across from the airport. Well
worth it.

~Paul

Chris Hoffmann wrote:

This was sort of a "refresher" - I did both duals back in October, so we're
just catching up a bit before I take the phase check. Planned out a flight
to Manitowoc, but we didn't go much past West Bend. With the low ceilings
and winds, I was just fine with that.
Heh, SVFR practice? Not quite...

"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message
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Wow, Chris, we could've ended up there together. :-) MTW is where we
went for lunch yesterday.

Yeah, but my instructor would never stop for lunch...

And, as for the weather, I can't say you were
being overly cautious, cause it was indeed MVFR at times. Well,
ATW-MTW turned out to be not bad (around 6 miles in haze most of the
way, cig about 2500agl), but back to MKE I hit several bad spots. I had
to go to 1500agl over OSH and considered landing right there for a
moment, but it got better shortly thereafter. (This was about 4PM.)

Hmm.. We started out around 4, and the ceilings were already down to 1200' -
we didn't get more than 1000' agl the entire flight. (well, we didn't really
try to, either, just held 2000 MSL.)
6 miles visibility sure ain't much at that height. Got a nice spooky view
of Holy Hill in the haze though.

Do run up there sometime and visit Joe's, across from the airport. Well
worth it.

~Paul

Will have to do that - on my SOLO x-country. :P

being overly cautious, cause it was indeed MVFR at times. Well,
ATW-MTW turned out to be not bad (around 6 miles in haze most of the
way, cig about 2500agl), but back to MKE I hit several bad spots. I had
to go to 1500agl over OSH and considered landing right there for a
moment, but it got better shortly thereafter. (This was about 4PM.)


Hmm.. We started out around 4, and the ceilings were already down to 1200' -
we didn't get more than 1000' agl the entire flight. (well, we didn't really
try to, either, just held 2000 MSL.)
6 miles visibility sure ain't much at that height. Got a nice spooky view
of Holy Hill in the haze though.

Are you accusing me of scud-running just two weeks after getting my
license?! Damnit.. you're right. The cigs were low. Hey, I got
briefings out of both Timmerman and Appleton and did NOT get "VFR not
recommended" either time (I would never not heed such a warning- never,
at this stage of experience, anyway). And both times they told me again
things looked to be "clearing up" which they most certainly did not.

I have actually been thinking about that whole experience quite a bit.
I always thought briefers would be erring on the side of caution but not
this time- sometimes the weather just does not do what's expected. Of
course all those low cigs and haze were completely unforecast for the
whole day. It was supposed to be clear below 12,000' as of midnight
Saturday. But the wind was as forecast.


Do run up there sometime and visit Joe's, across from the airport. Well
worth it.

~Paul


Will have to do that - on my SOLO x-country. :P

You ain't kidding about the winds. They were from 250 when I was planning
at
around 3 o'clock - by 3:30 they'd spun round to 200. Statrted double
checking my planning when it was obvious we were heading northwest instead
of northeast. 138 kts out - 78 kts back. Ouch.

We flew back from WI yesterday. Winds aloft 230 at 55.

Ground speed on the GPS: 88 knots.

Our plane normally does 140 knots.

It was a loooong flight... :-(
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