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Jeff wrote:
just a question, but why do you try to avoid MOA's and major tracon areas? The latter is good strategy if we have to go IFR and can't go OTP. The former is good defensive flying if they're hot. Despite the conclusions of the F16/C172 collision in Florida, in my opinion Boeing and Lockheed products painted military colors are way too fast for me to see-and-avoid so we stay out if it's avoidable. Which it usually is, long-range Making this part of strategic planning on a long trip often makes minimal difference, while not taking them into account results in larger detours. Example. I recently helped a friend plan a trip from St. Louis to St. Simeon, GA since we have a month aeroplanner subscription and wanted to give it more workout. He selected a fuel stop on a direct route, Shelbyville TN. The direct route happens to pass directly through Atlanta Class B. The low-altitude airway routing detours to the E. We consulted an inside source ![]() determined the routing we'd selected was the best available. I would have selected a fuel stop which was off the direct route to the E or W a degree or so, in order to avoid having to make a sharper detour. Just for grins, I did so. My indirect route came up significantly shorter after the TRACON detour was factored in. By the way, in a manner which should warm Don Brown's heart to a toasty glow, my friend ignores the approach-certified GPS in his panel and files low-altitude airways with SIDS and STARS as appropriate, with judicious use of "direct" between navaids. This makes very little difference to the length of the flight in most places. A couple of miles over a 900 mile trip. I always plan 2 routes, one through restricted areas and class B and one around, I first attempt to go though by contacting center when I am around 20 minutes out from the airspace, if not active and I have permission I go through, if not, then I use the alternate to go around, same with class B unless I am on the edge of it and it dont matter. But MOA's, just bust right on through, ask center if anything is going on and keep eyes open. As you like! It sounds as though you are flying VFR, which is our preference also. However, if you are flying IFR, failure to plan strategically can cost you a big detour. Depending upon the facility and your direction of flight, you are very unlikely to be routed within 40 nm of a Class B airport below 10-12k or so, IFR. This is because from the TRACON viewpoint, you are a slow-moving roadblock 5 miles wide and 2000 ft high (yeah, I know, not quite that bad) when you're IFR. IOW, you're sort of a PITA from the ATC viewpoint and TRACONs vary in their ability and willingness to deal with this (ability here doesn't just mean skill, but also how busy they are vs. manpower) When you're VFR or IFR clearance VFR-on-top, you shrink to the size of your actual plane. My point is, if you are flying a long cross country (say, 600 miles or more), you may wind up flying a longer trip if you fail to plan strategically. You can actually fly a shorter trip by initially planning one which is 1% longer. Cheers, Sydney |
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