MMU ramp fee

"Gary L. Drescher" wrote in message
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
news The FBO is Signature; I stopped (place was fairly empty, there was
only
one
other plane there that was not tied down), went in, looked at the
weather
terminal, called FSS, and went back to the door. Surprise! It
was
locked.
I pressed buttons, nothing. Then a lady came to the counter and
informed
me
there was a $22 fee for coming there and I could leave as soon as
I
paid
it.

Most places that's called "unlawful detention".

Only if the front door's locked too.

In reading it again, I don't see any other door mentioned.

Well, there's no mention of walls either, so I guess Peter could've just
walked around the locked door.


There might have been an unlocked front door but the only door to the ramp
(and my plane!) was definitely locked.

Peter Gottlieb wrote:

There might have been an unlocked front door but the only door to the ramp
(and my plane!) was definitely locked.

In most places in the USA it's illegal for an exit door to be locked during
business hours. Violates the fire code.

--
Jim

carry on

Jim Herring wrote in message ...
Peter Gottlieb wrote:

There might have been an unlocked front door but the only door to the ramp
(and my plane!) was definitely locked.

In most places in the USA it's illegal for an exit door to be locked during
business hours. Violates the fire code.

I've seen this quite a bit recently. Not to extract $$s from
pilots, but by order of the TSA on ramps that serve both GA and
commercial traffic. I don't think the TSA worries about fire codes.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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Jim Herring wrote in message
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Peter Gottlieb wrote:

There might have been an unlocked front door but the only door to the
ramp
(and my plane!) was definitely locked.

In most places in the USA it's illegal for an exit door to be locked
during
business hours. Violates the fire code.

I've seen this quite a bit recently. Not to extract $$s from
pilots, but by order of the TSA on ramps that serve both GA and
commercial traffic. I don't think the TSA worries about fire codes.

Large airports have always locked passenger-terminal doors that open onto
the ramp. I doubt there's any fire-code violation, as long as they're not
marked as exit doors and as long as enough unlocked, marked exit doors
exist.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:39:26 GMT, "Gary L. Drescher"
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Jim Herring wrote in message
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Peter Gottlieb wrote:

There might have been an unlocked front door but the only door to the
ramp
(and my plane!) was definitely locked.

In most places in the USA it's illegal for an exit door to be locked
during
business hours. Violates the fire code.

I've seen this quite a bit recently. Not to extract $$s from
pilots, but by order of the TSA on ramps that serve both GA and
commercial traffic. I don't think the TSA worries about fire codes.

Large airports have always locked passenger-terminal doors that open onto
the ramp. I doubt there's any fire-code violation, as long as they're not
marked as exit doors and as long as enough unlocked, marked exit doors
exist.

I can name four airports that had airline traffic where I had always
been able to walk out onto the ramp prior to 9/11. LAN, MBS, TVC and
MKG. MBS was the least lenient with a combination door, but when you
taxied up you could walk any where on the ramp as long as you stayed
away from the terminal. At the other three airports you could walk up
to within about 50 feet of the airliners. They had a line pained on
the concrete with a warning sign. (Kinda like OSH used to be)

The last time I went to Muskegon was the day they were setting up
for the Muskegon Air Fair about 4 or 5 years ago. We flew a lady over
from GDW whose husband had won a trip on the B-24. They picked us up
at the transient parking, gave us a ride around the approach end of
the runway and let us out at the junction of the active runway and the
active taxiway.

BTW, we got to fly above, behind, and centered between the B-24 and
B-17. Man, what a view. The controller came on and apologized to
them, but said, "I know you want to drum up interest, but you guys
gotta get back up higher". I was the only one who was at or above
1000 AGL. (IE Legal) As I was flying along with them approach had me
snuggle up when we came in over town. I doubt I'll ever have another
view like that again.

Some where around here I have a photo of Joyce (my wife) waking down
the taxiway with an F-16 coming up behind her, with two A-10s behind
it and a Tornado behind the A-10s. She stepped off the taxiway to
get out of the F-16s way and I have a photo of her with fingers stuck
in ears about 6 feet off the left wing tip of the F-16. I have
another of her standing between the pipes on an F-14 that just shut
down. The pilot is just stepping off the ladder. I think I know where
that one is.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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I've seen this quite a bit recently. Not to extract $$s from
pilots, but by order of the TSA on ramps that serve both GA and
commercial traffic. I don't think the TSA worries about fire codes.


Just like the Port Authority did not worry about fire codes in the twin
towers. As a governmental organization, compliance was voluntary and they
picked and chose what they wanted to and those towers did not meet NYC
codes.

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:17:42 -0500, Jim Herring
wrote:

Peter Gottlieb wrote:

There might have been an unlocked front door but the only door to the ramp
(and my plane!) was definitely locked.

In most places in the USA it's illegal for an exit door to be locked during
business hours. Violates the fire code.

True, but on all of the airports that have commercial traffic I think
you will find any door to the ram from the outside to be locked. I
know that all are at MBS and you need an escort to your plane.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:17:42 -0500, Jim Herring
wrote:
In most places in the USA it's illegal for an exit door to be locked
during
business hours. Violates the fire code.

True, but on all of the airports that have commercial traffic I think
you will find any door to the ram from the outside to be locked.

Locked, but with fire bars (will sound a fire alarm when unlatched).

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:54:25 -0700, "Tom S." wrote:


"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:17:42 -0500, Jim Herring
wrote:
In most places in the USA it's illegal for an exit door to be locked
during
business hours. Violates the fire code.

True, but on all of the airports that have commercial traffic I think
you will find any door to the ram from the outside to be locked.

Locked, but with fire bars (will sound a fire alarm when unlatched).

No firebars on the ones at the airport.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)