DUI's and flying?

Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

You can "self certify" yourself if you want to fly gliders if you are unable
to get a medical or if the FAA won't grant the certificate.

(I am assuming "he")

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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My problem is that I have two DUI's and I don't know how that effects my
opportunities. Does anyone have any knowledge on this subject? I'm 23
years old
and I don't neccessarily have to be a commercial pilot, but I'd like to
fly.

If you are still a practicing alcoholic, the answer is "no".

However, even if you're now sober, I suspect you'll have a hard time
getting
your 3rd Class Medical approved.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Richard Hertz" wrote in message
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Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

How else would you label him?

Simon

("S. Ramirez" wrote)
Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

How else would you label him?


I was 23 .....20 years ago.
(Don't make me go back to 1983. Please!!)

I have NEVER been pulled over ......on a "DWI".
I have NEVER had to put DUI on any paperwork.

I was (way way) stupid, too many times back in those days - and lucked out.

He got caught.

I'm here to tell you, being an idiot doesn't automatically make you an
alcoholic.


Now, stop being an idiot and go take some lessons. g

--
Montblack
http://lumma.de/mt/archives/bart.gif

I wouldn't. Why the alcoholic label?


"S. Ramirez" wrote in message
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"Richard Hertz" wrote in message
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Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

How else would you label him?

Simon

Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)


Thank you! I am by no means an alcoholic! That is a ridiculous assumtion to
make. I'm 23 and yes I made some really stupid choices but I'm not an
alcoholic. I got them at ages 19 and 21 when I was in a college town partying.

Now you've gone and done it. They are going to jump all over you.
According to the "experts" on "alcoholism" denial is a sure giveaway.

(sorry to be so cavalier about your predicament)

"Part86" wrote in message
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Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)


Thank you! I am by no means an alcoholic! That is a ridiculous assumtion
to
make. I'm 23 and yes I made some really stupid choices but I'm not an
alcoholic. I got them at ages 19 and 21 when I was in a college town
partying.

Thank you! I am by no means an alcoholic! That is a ridiculous assumtion
to
make. I'm 23 and yes I made some really stupid choices but I'm not an
alcoholic. I got them at ages 19 and 21 when I was in a college town
partying.

Listen, Part -- I live in a college party town. Every football weekend the
jails are chock-full of drunks, and I occasionally have to deal with the
results of their partying in my hotel.

Despite this, given the huge number of students involved (35,000 students),
the odds of any one person getting TWO DUIs around here are almost
unimaginably small. One conviction could happen to almost anyone -- but
two?

You may not be an alcoholic -- you may just be an unlucky party boy. Either
way, I sincerely hope you've learned to take it easy -- for everyone's sake.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Listen, Jay-- It sounds like you have issues with people who drink alcohol.
Your rants about drinking have no bearing on this person's question.
Instead of keeping quiet you chose to jump all over him.

I sincerely hope you learn to take it easy posting to this board -- for
everyone's sake.


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:VK3yb.351564$Tr4.1044549@attbi_s03...
Thank you! I am by no means an alcoholic! That is a ridiculous
assumtion
to
make. I'm 23 and yes I made some really stupid choices but I'm not an
alcoholic. I got them at ages 19 and 21 when I was in a college town
partying.

Listen, Part -- I live in a college party town. Every football weekend
the
jails are chock-full of drunks, and I occasionally have to deal with the
results of their partying in my hotel.

Despite this, given the huge number of students involved (35,000
students),
the odds of any one person getting TWO DUIs around here are almost
unimaginably small. One conviction could happen to almost anyone -- but
two?

You may not be an alcoholic -- you may just be an unlucky party boy.
Either
way, I sincerely hope you've learned to take it easy -- for everyone's
sake.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

Harsh, I know -- but here's how I figure this.

1. In younger days, I drove under the influence too many times myself.
2. I am not a "knee-jerk prohibitionist" when it comes to alcohol. At 45, I
still occasionally drive home after a few beers. Anyone who goes to a bar
with friends does, too.
3. My father-in-law and uncle were alcoholics. My sister is an alcoholic.
I have observed these people drink themselves into oblivion. I know for a
fact that all of them got behind the wheel occasionally when they should not
have.
4. None of them was ever convicted of ANY DUI tickets.

Given my background, I think I am at least semi-qualified to say the
following:

1. Part86 has TWO DUI tickets.
2. He/she's either incredibly unlucky, or he/she has managed to drive while
drunk worse than the three most hard-core, practicing alcoholics I know.

Perhaps the law enforcement folks just have it in for Part86 -- but I doubt
it. One conviction could happen to anyone -- but I think it's pretty safe
to say that anyone with TWO DUI convictions is a practicing alcoholic, and
needs to walk away from booze, pronto.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I've got to rebut this one. I had 2 dui's about 16 years ago. I wasn't then,
nor am I now, an alcoholic. I still have an ocassional beer, but since I've
been married and had kids I hardly ever go out, and then it's either a Xmas
party or rock concert. I still have about a 6 pack left from a case in the
fridge from my son's birthday party in October (early). Most of the ones
gone, I didn't even drink. When I got the DUI's I was single and going out a
couple of nights a week to play pool and socialize. You can't spend time in
a bar and stay under the legal limit.

I know the drunk driving school I went to also uses the "You're in trouble
from drinking, therefore you're an alcoholic" theory, and it may be true in
most cases, but it is certainly not a rule without exceptions. According to
tthem, I should be dead by now, or at least back in jail since I haven't
totally sworn off drinking. Yet I'm not either. I'm going on 20 years at the
same job (ugh), have a modest home and a wonderful wife and kids. I also
have a plane of my own. I can honestly say I've never been happier, yet I
can still enjoy an ocassional beer. All after 2 dui convictions.

Also, I had to get rides to work when I lost my license. One of my regular
rides would pick up a six pack and four nips at lunchtime. He drank 3 beers
adn 2 nips at lunch, 2 nips during work and downed the other 3 beers on the
way home. Ironically, I was never the least bit concerned with his driving.
My father, however, who hasn't drunk in decades, made me a nervous wreck.

Cleaning up my desk just now, I found the letter from the FAA after applying
for my first Class 3 medical. It says:

Our review of your medical records has established that you are eligible for
a Third Class medical certificate. You are cautioned that further alcohol
related offenses, or evidence of alcohol abuse may require re-evaluation of
your medical certification.

So, even after 11 years, it was a factor to them. I think part86 may have to
jump through a few hoops for a while, but it is certainly doable. I'd
recommend getting the medical up front, just so you know wether it's worth
going for now or waiting a few years.

mike regish

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:1D3yb.153952$Dw6.618565@attbi_s02...
Nice. He says he has two DUIs and you label him as an alcoholic.
("practicing" or not)

Harsh, I know -- but here's how I figure this.

1. In younger days, I drove under the influence too many times myself.
2. I am not a "knee-jerk prohibitionist" when it comes to alcohol. At 45,
I
still occasionally drive home after a few beers. Anyone who goes to a bar
with friends does, too.
3. My father-in-law and uncle were alcoholics. My sister is an alcoholic.
I have observed these people drink themselves into oblivion. I know for a
fact that all of them got behind the wheel occasionally when they should
not
have.
4. None of them was ever convicted of ANY DUI tickets.

Given my background, I think I am at least semi-qualified to say the
following:

1. Part86 has TWO DUI tickets.
2. He/she's either incredibly unlucky, or he/she has managed to drive
while
drunk worse than the three most hard-core, practicing alcoholics I know.

Perhaps the law enforcement folks just have it in for Part86 -- but I
doubt
it. One conviction could happen to anyone -- but I think it's pretty
safe
to say that anyone with TWO DUI convictions is a practicing alcoholic, and
needs to walk away from booze, pronto.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"