Air Force One seen by BA pilot

On 28 Nov 2003 10:37:39 -0800, Milo wrote:

First of all, did that BA pilot have binoculars?
How did he see AF1 with the TFR in place, I assume they are in effect
wherever AF1 goes in the world.
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*Aheeeem* the FAA only works within the US of A. And there are countries
left with their own government and airspace. ;-)

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Not to mention, of course, that I have yet to see a TFR that follows the
airplane enroute... Besides shutting down half the country's airspace, it
would also be a big-time security breach...

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Martin Hotze wrote in
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On 28 Nov 2003 10:37:39 -0800, Milo wrote:

First of all, did that BA pilot have binoculars?
How did he see AF1 with the TFR in place, I assume they are in effect
wherever AF1 goes in the world.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*Aheeeem* the FAA only works within the US of A. And there are countries
left with their own government and airspace. ;-)

#m

Not to mention, of course, that I have yet to see a TFR that follows the
airplane enroute... Besides shutting down half the country's airspace, it
would also be a big-time security breach...

Of course they do exactly this for a presidential motorcade.

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Cub Driver wrote in
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Not to mention, of course, that I have yet to see a TFR that follows
the airplane enroute... Besides shutting down half the country's
airspace, it would also be a big-time security breach...

Of course they do exactly this for a presidential motorcade.


Perhaps, but the square-footage is much smaller. A presidential motorcade
should only close down a major city or state. The flight plan that I
outlined in my TFR went from Waco, TX to Washington National, closing the
entire southern half of the US...

Not to mention that a terrorist in a Cessna 172 would have more trouble
hitting AF1 in flight and has a much better chance of hitting the
President's Limo with a Water Bomb!

"Judah" wrote in message


I have yet to see a TFR that follows the
airplane enroute...

... Besides shutting down half the country's
airspace,

.... closing the
entire southern half of the US...


Judah, using unbridled hyperbole to try to make a point rarely enhances a
discussion. AF1 movement TFRs do NOT shut down "...the entire southern half
of the US...", as you twice posited. As a general rule, they proscribe a
particular route, but then only "...unless otherwise authorized by ATC...".
X miles before and after passage, other traffic will be allowed to cross
paths. You do, in fact, have a TFR that follows the aircraft (as long as
everything runs smoothly); a moving bubble of airspace kept clear for the
passage of AF1.

John,
My unbridled hyperbole was actually made completely in jest.

To my knowledge (which is perhaps more bridled than my hyperbolic sense
of humor) there is no moving TFR that follows AF1... The TFR that I
posted was not real, it was a joke.

The point is not that half the country's airspace is shut down. The
point is that the whole TFR thing is a joke. The only people who
intentionally follow laws like the TFRs are law-abiding citizens. A
terrorist wouldn't be very upset about violating a TFR, unless, of
course, an F-16 actually had a shot in hell of intercepting him before
achieving the mission.


"John Gaquin" wrote in
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"Judah" wrote in message


I have yet to see a TFR that follows the airplane enroute...

... Besides shutting down half the country's
airspace,

.... closing the
entire southern half of the US...


Judah, using unbridled hyperbole to try to make a point rarely enhances
a discussion. AF1 movement TFRs do NOT shut down "...the entire
southern half of the US...", as you twice posited. As a general rule,
they proscribe a particular route, but then only "...unless otherwise
authorized by ATC...". X miles before and after passage, other traffic
will be allowed to cross paths. You do, in fact, have a TFR that
follows the aircraft (as long as everything runs smoothly); a moving
bubble of airspace kept clear for the passage of AF1.