DUI's and flying?

"mike regish" writes:

And you noticed the vast majority of patrons in those bars doing the same
thing, right?

The personal examples are to refute the claim that it's *impossible*
to spend the night in the bar without getting drunk. I think it's
been pretty thoroughly refuted at this point.

Now you're changing the question -- is it common? No, not terribly.
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If you read back some-you *can* do that can't you-you'll see I already
confessed that "can't" wasn't the right word.

Now I want you to tell me, honestly mind you, that you believe that the
majority of people who spend several hours in a bar drink 3 drinks or less.

mike regish

"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message
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"mike regish" writes:

And you noticed the vast majority of patrons in those bars doing the
same
thing, right?

The personal examples are to refute the claim that it's *impossible*
to spend the night in the bar without getting drunk. I think it's
been pretty thoroughly refuted at this point.

Now you're changing the question -- is it common? No, not terribly.
--
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"mike regish" wrote in message
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Now I want you to tell me, honestly mind you, that you believe that the
majority of people who spend several hours in a bar drink 3 drinks or
less.

What's that got to do with anything? The prevalence of drunk drivers
doesn't make it any less abhorrent.

Your original statement was completely false, and your modified version is
irrelevant. It's true that getting a DUI in no way implies one is an
alcoholic, but it's completely false that there's any good excuse for
getting a DUI.

Pete

My original point was that if the police really wanted to do something about
DUI, they'd wait outside the bars. Any car that has been sitting there for
more than a couple of hours likely has a drunk driver aboard. I suppose
that's wrong too, because there are exceptions, right?

There's no good excuse for getting a DUI, but getting one, or even 2 doesn't
make an alcoholic. I believe that the vast majority of alcoholics never get
DUI's. Of people who get DUI's, probably a majority are alcoholics, but not
by much of a majority I bet. They might even be the minority since a
hardcore alcoholic can function quite normally with a pretty high BAC just
due to the developed tolerance. Light drinkers who go out infrequently are
more likely to be obviously impaired.

I know it;s a benchmark that the FAA uses, and understandably so, but
without more information it's not a real ironclad assumption. People here
who say to hang up any idea of a flying career based on 2 DUI's of a 23 year
old aren't justified. Even the FAA will eventually recognize that people can
change and that maybe there are such things as bad luck, being in the wrong
place at the wrong time or having a cop with a hardon for you.

mike regish

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"mike regish" wrote in message
news:d6tyb.373432$Fm2.374121@attbi_s04...
Now I want you to tell me, honestly mind you, that you believe that the
majority of people who spend several hours in a bar drink 3 drinks or
less.

What's that got to do with anything? The prevalence of drunk drivers
doesn't make it any less abhorrent.

Your original statement was completely false, and your modified version is
irrelevant. It's true that getting a DUI in no way implies one is an
alcoholic, but it's completely false that there's any good excuse for
getting a DUI.

Pete

[top-posting fixed]

"mike regish" writes:

"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message
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"mike regish" writes:

And you noticed the vast majority of patrons in those bars doing
the same thing, right?

The personal examples are to refute the claim that it's *impossible*
to spend the night in the bar without getting drunk. I think it's
been pretty thoroughly refuted at this point.

Now you're changing the question -- is it common? No, not terribly.

If you read back some-you *can* do that can't you-you'll see I already
confessed that "can't" wasn't the right word.

Now I want you to tell me, honestly mind you, that you believe that the
majority of people who spend several hours in a bar drink 3 drinks or less.

Um, already did essentially that, in the message you're responding
to. See that quote up there?
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"Well, maybe not *can't*, but I've never seen anybody who did more than stop
for one beer do it. The .08 limit seems to be more of an arbitrary limit
that has more to do with how much and often you drink than how it affects
your ability to function. The guy I used to ride with was probably at a
constant level well over .1, but you'd never know it without smelling his
breath. I never saw him noticeably drunk. Not saying that's a good thing. He
was killing his body, but he was a safe and competent driver and he never
got a single DUI."

Quoted from several messages back.

Try a little harder next time.

mike regish

"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message
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Um, already did essentially that, in the message you're responding
to. See that quote up there?
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In the UK, in the case of those who are driving, yes.

Paul

"mike regish" wrote in message
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Now I want you to tell me, honestly mind you, that you believe that the
majority of people who spend several hours in a bar drink 3 drinks or
less.

I'm restating the question to make it understandable to those who feel the
need to nitpick rather than give a straight answer to a reasonably
straightforward question.

mike regish

"David Dyer-Bennet" wrote in message
...
"mike regish" writes:

And you noticed the vast majority of patrons in those bars doing the
same
thing, right?

The personal examples are to refute the claim that it's *impossible*
to spend the night in the bar without getting drunk. I think it's
been pretty thoroughly refuted at this point.

Now you're changing the question -- is it common? No, not terribly.
--
David Dyer-Bennet, , www.dd-b.net/dd-b/
RKBA: noguns-nomoney.com www.dd-b.net/carry/
Photos: dd-b.lighthunters.net Snapshots:
www.dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/
Dragaera/Steven Brust: dragaera.info/