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December 3rd 03, 07:18 PM
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Jeff Franks ) wrote:
Just wondering. Is it possible (read practical) to take a certified aircraft (C172 for example) and have it "demoted" to an Experimental? A few weeks ago, I saw a 2003 C182 that had been "demoted" to an Experimental due to the installed Garmin G1000 avionics. I was told that this aircraft could not carry passengers because of this status, so we were unable to see the avionics in action. FWIW... -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- 
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#2
December 4th 03, 12:29 AM
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could not carry pax in an experimental? happens all the time...
many home builts and gliders are certified experimental.. the aircraft must be marked "experimental" in letters of a stated size and in an area visible to the pax must have been an insurance thing.. BT "Peter R." wrote in message ... Jeff Franks ) wrote: Just wondering. Is it possible (read practical) to take a certified aircraft (C172 for example) and have it "demoted" to an Experimental? A few weeks ago, I saw a 2003 C182 that had been "demoted" to an Experimental due to the installed Garmin G1000 avionics. I was told that this aircraft could not carry passengers because of this status, so we were unable to see the avionics in action. FWIW... -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
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#3
December 4th 03, 12:57 AM
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"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:Jdvzb.2374$yf.275@fed1read01... could not carry pax in an experimental? happens all the time... many home builts and gliders are certified experimental.. Not all experimentals carry the "amateur" or "kit-built" designation. the aircraft must be marked "experimental" in letters of a stated size and in an area visible to the pax True, for experimentals that are permitted to carry passengers. So? must have been an insurance thing.. No, it was more likely an FAA thing. As in, with the installed avionics, the plane was probably being operated under an R&D or "showing compliance" designation, neither of which allow the carriage of passengers. Pete
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#4
December 4th 03, 01:03 AM
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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message ... "BTIZ" wrote in message news:Jdvzb.2374$yf.275@fed1read01... could not carry pax in an experimental? happens all the time... many home builts and gliders are certified experimental.. Not all experimentals carry the "amateur" or "kit-built" designation. True the aircraft must be marked "experimental" in letters of a stated size and in an area visible to the pax True, for experimentals that are permitted to carry passengers. So? just a side bar note must have been an insurance thing.. No, it was more likely an FAA thing. As in, with the installed avionics, the plane was probably being operated under an R&D or "showing compliance" designation, neither of which allow the carriage of passengers. Pete could be...
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December 4th 03, 01:06 AM
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"BTIZ" wrote
could not carry pax in an experimental? happens all the time... many home builts and gliders are certified experimental.. There are several categories of "Experimental". 1 Amateur Built 2 Exhibition 3 Research and Development 4 Air Racing 5 Crew Training 6 Market Survey 7 To Show Compliance With The CFR Sounds as if you are only familiar with Amateur Built and Exhibition. Bob Moore
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#6
December 4th 03, 12:49 AM
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:29:35 -0800, "BTIZ"
wrote: could not carry pax in an experimental? happens all the time... many home builts and gliders are certified experimental.. the aircraft must be marked "experimental" in letters of a stated size and in an area visible to the pax must have been an insurance thing.. When the FAA grants an experimental cert on a former standard cert aircraft, they virtually always remove your ability to legally carry pax afterwards. This is the established precedent. What we need is an "experimental-antique" type of cert that would allow full owner maintenance and simple A&P annual "condition inspections" on old, small planes just like the homebuilt aircraft enjoy today.
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#7
December 4th 03, 07:55 AM
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There is more than one category of Experimental... and a certified
airplane that is "demoted" to experimental is most certainly NOT "amatuer built". Dave BTIZ wrote: could not carry pax in an experimental? happens all the time... many home builts and gliders are certified experimental.. the aircraft must be marked "experimental" in letters of a stated size and in an area visible to the pax must have been an insurance thing.. BT "Peter R." wrote in message ... Jeff Franks ) wrote: Just wondering. Is it possible (read practical) to take a certified aircraft (C172 for example) and have it "demoted" to an Experimental? A few weeks ago, I saw a 2003 C182 that had been "demoted" to an Experimental due to the installed Garmin G1000 avionics. I was told that this aircraft could not carry passengers because of this status, so we were unable to see the avionics in action. FWIW... -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
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