Do you flight plan?

For a good example of what can go wrong if you don't
take winds aloft into account properly, see the following link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3306443.stm

That really sux. I can't believe they wouldn't SELL the pilot fuel . . . what
assholes.


www.Rosspilot.com

ospam (Rosspilot) writes:

For a good example of what can go wrong if you don't
take winds aloft into account properly, see the following link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3306443.stm

That really sux. I can't believe they wouldn't SELL the pilot fuel . . . what
assholes.

Yeah, what kind of people are these who refuse to encourage pilots
to do dumb things? They're probably the same party-poopers who
won't let their friends drive home drunk.

--kyler

For a good example of what can go wrong if you don't
take winds aloft into account properly, see the following link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3306443.stm

That really sux. I can't believe they wouldn't SELL the pilot fuel . . .
what
assholes.

Yeah, what kind of people are these who refuse to encourage pilots
to do dumb things? They're probably the same party-poopers who
won't let their friends drive home drunk.


Kyler . . . every pilot has done dumb things. This guy had flown that plane
around the world 3 times. How does that equate to trying to drive home drunk?

www.Rosspilot.com

ospam (Rosspilot) writes:

For a good example of what can go wrong if you don't
take winds aloft into account properly, see the following link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3306443.stm

That really sux. I can't believe they wouldn't SELL the pilot fuel . . .
what
assholes.

Yeah, what kind of people are these who refuse to encourage pilots
to do dumb things? They're probably the same party-poopers who
won't let their friends drive home drunk.

Kyler . . . every pilot has done dumb things.

That's an astute observation. Thank you for sharing it.

This guy had flown that plane
around the world 3 times.

...so he should have had a clue of what procedures to follow and what
risks are involved.

How does that equate to trying to drive home drunk?

Read the article you quoted and let me know when you get to this
part.
"He appears to have gone in there without a search and
rescue plan and without a contingency plan if things go
wrong, and he's expecting the New Zealand and United
States Governments to pick up and be his contingency,"
Mr Sanson added.

He didn't have a good plan for dealing with headwinds. He got
bitten. Now you want people to encourage this behavior so that
other pilots are more likely to do the same? And you really don't
see how poor fuel management in a plane equates to driving drunk?
(Hints: both kill, both can be readily avoided.)

Yes, I realize that there are US citizens who always expect to be
bailed out when they fail to plan ahead. I'm not one of them. (I
just work in California. I live in Indiana.)

--kyler

For a good example of what can go wrong if you don't
take winds aloft into account properly, see the following link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3306443.stm

That really sux. I can't believe they wouldn't SELL the pilot fuel . . .
what
assholes.

Yeah, what kind of people are these who refuse to encourage pilots
to do dumb things? They're probably the same party-poopers who
won't let their friends drive home drunk.

Kyler . . . every pilot has done dumb things.

That's an astute observation. Thank you for sharing it.

You brought it up, jerk.

This guy had flown that plane
around the world 3 times.

..so he should have had a clue of what procedures to follow and what
risks are involved.

How does that equate to trying to drive home drunk?

Read the article you quoted and let me know when you get to this
part.
"He appears to have gone in there without a search and
rescue plan and without a contingency plan if things go
wrong, and he's expecting the New Zealand and United
States Governments to pick up and be his contingency,"
Mr Sanson added.

He didn't have a good plan for dealing with headwinds. He got
bitten. Now you want people to encourage this behavior so that
other pilots are more likely to do the same? And you really don't
see how poor fuel management in a plane equates to driving drunk?
(Hints: both kill, both can be readily avoided.)


Idiot. This guy is an adventurer . . . not a typical spamcan driver with a
PPL. By your logic, when Steve Fossett tries to balloon around the world, and
gets forced down in the middle of Russia or some remote part of China, nobody
should help him either.

Yes, I realize that there are US citizens who always expect to be
bailed out when they fail to plan ahead. I'm not one of them. (I
just work in California. I live in Indiana.)

Idiot. He's not asking to be "bailed out". He just wants to buy some fuel.



www.Rosspilot.com

Rosspilot wrote:

Idiot. He's not asking to be "bailed out". He just wants to buy some fuel.

That would probably be no problem if he burned jet-A, Ross, but this is
Antarctica. There aren't any Exxon stations down there. They're probably only
offering him a ride out because they don't have extra food for him either.

If I set down on Gregory's Bald in the Smokies due to lack of fuel, I wouldn't
expect the National Park Service to hump a bunch of 100LL up there for me. I'd
be grateful if they allowed me to pack a bunch in myself instead of forcing me
to pay for airlifting the plane out by chopper.

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

"G.R. Patterson III" writes:

Idiot. He's not asking to be "bailed out". He just wants to buy some fuel.

That would probably be no problem if he burned jet-A, Ross, but this is
Antarctica.

I'm reading more into it. My take is that they wouldn't even want
to encourage kerosene-burners to just take off on poorly-planned
recreational flights in the area. (So sorry, Mike.)

--kyler

ospam (Rosspilot) writes:

Kyler . . . every pilot has done dumb things.

That's an astute observation. Thank you for sharing it.

You brought it up, jerk.

I welcome you to point out anything I said that makes you think
I made any comment even hinting that some pilots don't do dumb
things, genius.

Idiot. This guy is an adventurer . . . not a typical spamcan driver with a
PPL. By your logic, when Steve Fossett tries to balloon around the world, and
gets forced down in the middle of Russia or some remote part of China, nobody
should help him either.

You're not doing well applying my logic. I certainly wouldn't
suggest such a thing and to pretend that no help has been offered
or given to this pilot is to ignore the facts as stated in the
article you quoted.

Are you asserting that Steve Fossett made no contingency plans
(other than "hope someone helps me") before his flights? Do you
want to put some money behind that or just continue with the name
calling?

Yes, I realize that there are US citizens who always expect to be
bailed out when they fail to plan ahead. I'm not one of them. (I
just work in California. I live in Indiana.)

Idiot. He's not asking to be "bailed out". He just wants to buy some fuel.

Did he think about that *before* taking off?

--kyler

He didn't have a good plan for dealing with headwinds. He got
bitten. Now you want people to encourage this behavior so that
other pilots are more likely to do the same?


How is this different from any other mishap due to poor planning? We go out
and look every time an ELT beeps, forchrissakes, and we don't punish them by
saying "we're not a frigging hospital - you should have brought your own
splints".

Jose

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"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...
How is this different from any other mishap due to poor planning? We go
out
and look every time an ELT beeps, forchrissakes, and we don't punish them
by
saying "we're not a frigging hospital - you should have brought your own
splints".

You're right, it's no different. And if a pilot got their airplane stranded
in the middle of the Rockies because it ran out of fuel, the extent of
support the pilot would receive would be search and rescue. The pilot would
not get any special dispensation for fuel, nor should he expect it.

Same as the guy in Antarctica. He should be thankful he's getting a ride
home. He has no reason to expect fuel to be provided to him. If he wants
fuel, he can contract to have it delivered to the airplane himself. Of
course, it'd probably be cheaper to just buy a new plane, but that's his
choice.

There's a big difference between providing splints and retrieving personal
property.

Pete