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The proper use of the term "Dutch Roll" applies to a characteristic of
the lateral stability of an aircraft, inherent in all aircraft but thoroughly investigated during the test flight and certification stage. The manoeuvre can be seen by simply letting go of the stick in trimmed level flight and yawing the aircraft. Ideally one would provide one yaw impulse and then let the aircraft return itself to steady flight while observing the dynamics of the recovery (how many oscillations, damping etc.) but it is possible to keep the manoeuvre going by alternating the impulse on the rudder pedals with each change in yaw direction. Note that I have only mentioned the rudder above. This manoeuvre does not involve aileron input. In fact a pilot could get himself into trouble by trying to correct with aileron input and could produce amplified pilot induced oscillations. The dynamics are as follows: With the first rudder input comes a yaw impulse. This causes the opposite wing (starboard wing if port rudder input) to swing forward - gaining a few knots (and lift) - and the other wing to swing back - losing a few knots. This is why the aircraft seems to roll during the yaw. If the pilot keeps alternating the rudder inputs this will cause an oscillating yaw condition. Looking at the wing tip you would see it describing an ellipse on the horizon. The way to stop this motion is not to fight it. Simply ceasing control input will rapidly stabilise the aircraft, remember that aircraft are designed to be laterally stable (in most cases), loosing part of the tailplane or rudder could make this a problem. Trying to fight the motion with control inputs will only prolong the motion at best, and amplify it at worst. Your natural instinct to correct in a particular direction with aileron is working against you because at the point that you feel you should correct is the point where the factors influencing the motion are changing direction and you are now only adding to them. If a pilot got caught out he could stall one wing tip while overcorrecting and end up in a spiral or even spin. Unlikely but possible. Incidentally this manoeuvre is best experienced in the tail of the aircraft. The pilots are usually near the wing junction and as such are on the centre line of a helix that the the passengers in the rear of the fuselage are following. Dennis O'Connor wrote: Read, Stick And Rudder... Wolfgang Langewiesche Denny Matthew Jurotich" wrote in When doing this correctly are the rudder and ailerons co-ordinated or opposite? Why? |
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![]() The proper use of the term "Dutch Roll" applies to a characteristic of the lateral stability of an aircraft, i One of the more famous aircraft subject to Dutch Roll was the Northrop YB-49 turbojet Flying Wing bomber. The military test pilot Robert Cardenas (who took over the project after Glen Edwards was killed) recalled that the bombardier used to get seasick from the oscillations. (The YB-49 is cited as the predecessor of the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber, because it was from Northrop and had the identical span. In fact, the B-2 more closely suggests the German "nurflugel" designed by the Horten brothers. www.warbirdforum.com/edwards.htm ) all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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Cub Driver wrote:
The proper use of the term "Dutch Roll" applies to a characteristic of the lateral stability of an aircraft, i One of the more famous aircraft subject to Dutch Roll was the Northrop YB-49 turbojet Flying Wing bomber. The military test pilot Robert Cardenas (who took over the project after Glen Edwards was killed) recalled that the bombardier used to get seasick from the oscillations. (The YB-49 is cited as the predecessor of the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber, because it was from Northrop and had the identical span. In fact, the B-2 more closely suggests the German "nurflugel" designed by the Horten brothers. www.warbirdforum.com/edwards.htm ) all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com Yup I would definately believe that. The lateral stability in those tail-less designs was achieved through wing sweep rather than the usual vertical fin. I would imagine that they had interesting spin characteristics as well, although I don't remember it being mentioned anywhere. The father of flying wing / tail-less designs was Alexander Lippish. |
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![]() I would imagine that they had interesting spin characteristics as well, I think it was Eric Brown who wrote about flying the British all-wing aircraft, and having it almost rotate backward on him. This is probably exactly what happened to the YB-49 that crashed near Muric (now Edwards AFB) killing the pilot Danny Forbes, co-pilot Glen Edwards, and the crew. There are two files on the Warbird's Forum consisting of interviews with Robert Cardenas, the military test pilot after Edwards, and a very different view from Northrop test pilot Charlie Tucker www.warbirdforum.com/edwards.htm all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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