Catastrophic Decompression; Small Place Solo

Ralph Nesbitt wrote in message
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C J Campbell wrote in message
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Most movies use physics from an alternate universe. Bullets flash when
they
hit things (even wood!). People outrun shock waves from explosions.
The
MAC
10 holds an infinite amount of ammo. You can poison a whole airplane
by
contaminating the pressurization and/or the oxygen system.
Alternatively,
the airplane pressurization will keep a plane filled with air even
under
water. Small aircraft routinely outclimb and run into airliners.

As for Goldfinger, I suppose he *could* have hit the elevator and
jammed
it
when he was sucked out. But, really, why let the facts get in the way
of
a
good story?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3039583.stm

An interesting take on the situation especially in light of the fact
that
there has been a case of a cabin window being shattered by engine debris
resulting in a PAX being blown out through that window.

Paul Nixon

The "Ballistics Profile" of the most powerful hand gun "Pales in
comparison/is infatisimal compared to that of debris from an "Uncontained
Engine Failure".

A .22 pales in comparison to a cannonball, yet both are deadly under the
right circumstances.

What bullets, if any, possess sufficient energy to penetrate an airliner
window and would that airliner window spider or would said bullet simply
leave a small hole? We already know that an adult PAX will, apparently, fit
through a typical airliner window.

Paul Nixon

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| What bullets, if any, possess sufficient energy to penetrate an airliner
| window and would that airliner window spider or would said bullet simply
| leave a small hole? We already know that an adult PAX will, apparently,
fit
| through a typical airliner window.
|

We do not really know any such thing. If the passenger is bigger than the
window he simply cannot be pulled through it any more than he can sucked up
through a vacuum cleaner hose.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message ...

We do not really know any such thing. If the passenger is bigger than the
window he simply cannot be pulled through it any more than he can sucked up
through a vacuum cleaner hose.

Passengers are pretty flexible. Some might plug up the hole, others will
go through holes that looked like they ought not to fit through.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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| "C J Campbell" wrote in message
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| We do not really know any such thing. If the passenger is bigger than
the
| window he simply cannot be pulled through it any more than he can sucked
up
| through a vacuum cleaner hose.
|
| Passengers are pretty flexible. Some might plug up the hole, others
will
| go through holes that looked like they ought not to fit through.
|

The windows are surprisingly large, too. I have no doubt that a small person
could get through one, especially if his seatbelt is not properly fastened.
However, you are not going to lose a whole planeload of passengers this way.
Given a choice, I would shoot a hijacker with the off chance of killing an
innocent bystander rather than allow the hijacker to drive the plane into a
crowded building.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message ...
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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| "C J Campbell" wrote in message
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|
| We do not really know any such thing. If the passenger is bigger than
the
| window he simply cannot be pulled through it any more than he can sucked
up
| through a vacuum cleaner hose.
|
| Passengers are pretty flexible. Some might plug up the hole, others
will
| go through holes that looked like they ought not to fit through.
|

The windows are surprisingly large, too. I have no doubt that a small person
could get through one, especially if his seatbelt is not properly fastened.
However, you are not going to lose a whole planeload of passengers this way.
Given a choice, I would shoot a hijacker with the off chance of killing an
innocent bystander rather than allow the hijacker to drive the plane into a
crowded building.


ok.. interesting scenario. but what would be the option if the
hijacker was a midget ??

"running with scissors" wrote in
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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| "C J Campbell" wrote in
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| We do not really know any such thing. If the passenger is bigger
than
the
| window he simply cannot be pulled through it any more than he can
sucked
up
| through a vacuum cleaner hose.
|
| Passengers are pretty flexible. Some might plug up the hole, others
will
| go through holes that looked like they ought not to fit through.
|

The windows are surprisingly large, too. I have no doubt that a small
person
could get through one, especially if his seatbelt is not properly
fastened.
However, you are not going to lose a whole planeload of passengers this
way.
Given a choice, I would shoot a hijacker with the off chance of killing
an
innocent bystander rather than allow the hijacker to drive the plane
into a
crowded building.


ok.. interesting scenario. but what would be the option if the
hijacker was a midget ??

Shoot him with a .22?

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ...
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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| "C J Campbell" wrote in
message
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| We do not really know any such thing. If the passenger is bigger
than
the
| window he simply cannot be pulled through it any more than he can
sucked
up
| through a vacuum cleaner hose.
|
| Passengers are pretty flexible. Some might plug up the hole, others
will
| go through holes that looked like they ought not to fit through.
|

The windows are surprisingly large, too. I have no doubt that a small
person
could get through one, especially if his seatbelt is not properly
fastened.
However, you are not going to lose a whole planeload of passengers this
way.
Given a choice, I would shoot a hijacker with the off chance of killing
an
innocent bystander rather than allow the hijacker to drive the plane
into a
crowded building.


ok.. interesting scenario. but what would be the option if the
hijacker was a midget ??

Shoot him with a .22?


lol

All seem to forget that a hijacked plane will probably have a pair of
F-16"s in trail and can be given authority to shoot the bird down with
all on board going kaput.

Which do you want, one or two or the whole plane and God knows how
many on the ground?

A shoot out at the OK corral seems to me to be preferable.

Big John


On 5 Jan 2004 16:45:09 -0800,
(running with scissors) wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message ...
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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| "C J Campbell" wrote in message
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|
| We do not really know any such thing. If the passenger is bigger than
the
| window he simply cannot be pulled through it any more than he can sucked
up
| through a vacuum cleaner hose.
|
| Passengers are pretty flexible. Some might plug up the hole, others
will
| go through holes that looked like they ought not to fit through.
|

The windows are surprisingly large, too. I have no doubt that a small person
could get through one, especially if his seatbelt is not properly fastened.
However, you are not going to lose a whole planeload of passengers this way.
Given a choice, I would shoot a hijacker with the off chance of killing an
innocent bystander rather than allow the hijacker to drive the plane into a
crowded building.


ok.. interesting scenario. but what would be the option if the
hijacker was a midget ??

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message om...
"C J Campbell" wrote in message ...

We do not really know any such thing. If the passenger is bigger than the
window he simply cannot be pulled through it any more than he can sucked up
through a vacuum cleaner hose.

Passengers are pretty flexible. Some might plug up the hole, others will
go through holes that looked like they ought not to fit through.

a midget will

C J Campbell wrote in message
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|
| What bullets, if any, possess sufficient energy to penetrate an airliner
| window and would that airliner window spider or would said bullet simply
| leave a small hole? We already know that an adult PAX will, apparently,
fit
| through a typical airliner window.
|

We do not really know any such thing. If the passenger is bigger than the
window he simply cannot be pulled through it any more than he can sucked
up
through a vacuum cleaner hose.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1973/731103-0.htm

"As a result, the cabin depressurized and one cabin window, which was struck
by a fragment of the fan assembly, separated from the fuselage. The
passenger who was sitting next to that window was forced through the opening
and ejected from the aircraft."


http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/Aviation/Disasters/73-11-03(National).
asp

"According to a witness, the occupant of the seat was partially forced
through the window opening and was temporarily retained in this position by
his seatbelt. Efforts to pull the passenger back into the airplane by
another passenger were unsuccessful, and the occupant of seat 17H was
subsequently forced entirely through the cabin window."

Paul Nixon